Seeing what general opinion is on changing the qualifier from *_(kantai_collection) to *_(kancolle). Notably with the proposed change in topic #18013, remodel characters will have their own tags. Changing to the shorthand for the qualifier will help to offset the new longer tags that will be created and will in general help to make all the existing tags a bit shorter.
I'd recommend resolving this first before going through with the changes proposed in the other thread, as those changes would simply make this change that much more difficult.
Alright, since we're doing this first I'll just submit the BURs. I'm neutral to the proposal myself, but I'm submitting them so that they don't block the other thread.
And these are the tags I found without a qualifier.
None of the generic abyssal ships have qualifiers.
The reason why the ones listed previously all do is because they are mostly named after actual ships/planes etc. The abyssal ships, though, are kancolle inventions and as such don't have qualifiers except floating fortress (which is also the name of a type of military base from 1984, and escort fortress (presumably because floating fortress had one?)
Skylightcrystal Johnson is right. The generic abyssal ships and most of the abyssal bosses don't need the "*_(kancolle)" qualifiers on their tags because they don't share their names with non-Kancolle characters, or with real-world ships or installations.
I really don't see the point in shortening all these tags when A: the original qualifier is not really that obtrusive to begin with and B: they end up only a few characters shorter. I agree that shortening something like kono_subarashii_sekai_ni_shukufuku_wo! to _(konosuba) for tag qualifiers is a good practise, but kantai_collection is already relatively short as far as copyright tags are concerned. As such it seems rather pointless to create hundreds of aliases just to remove 8 letters from a qualifier by replacing it with a slightly smaller abbreviation (which in my opinion actually looks worse than the current qualifier).
I think that this is a step in the right direction as the use of KanColle as the vernacular term is more widespread than referring it by its full name. Heck, we even use the term "KC" as a shorthand too on many areas of communication, especially in areas where other games (like AL, WSG, Blue Oath, etc.) are mentioned alongside.
Though I must agree that certain Abyssal tags do not need the KC qualifier as they are exclusive to the franchise. Much like Sirens are to AL.
I think that this is a step in the right direction as the use of KanColle as the vernacular term is more widespread than referring it by its full name.
From what I've seen "KanColle" is officially more of the base name of the franchise rather than simply being an abbreviation. For instance, just look at the official logo where the Japanese text for "KanColle" is huge and on the other hand the text for "Kantai Collection" is tiny.
I really don't see the point in shortening all these tags when A: the original qualifier is not really that obtrusive to begin with and B: they end up only a few characters shorter. I agree that shortening something like kono_subarashii_sekai_ni_shukufuku_wo! to _(konosuba) for tag qualifiers is a good practise, but kantai_collection is already relatively short as far as copyright tags are concerned. As such it seems rather pointless to create hundreds of aliases just to remove 8 letters from a qualifier by replacing it with a slightly smaller abbreviation (which in my opinion actually looks worse than the current qualifier).
It's still a 47% reduction in characters and I think it would still be worthwhile because the remodel naming isn't going to end with just a "kai ni" addition to their names. There are also going to be characters like Saratoga who has a Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2 form as well, and it is distinguishable from her Kai outfit.
I do also want to note that the official title of the series actually contains the KanColle in it, as in the full title when written out officially is Kantai Collection -KanColle-.
I find very funny how much support this proposal has, compared to the one in the opposite direction concerning touhou, considering most of the arguments still apply
Breaks links in many places, including comments, forums, wiki pages, and offsite. I'm not fixing 800 wiki pages by hand for a cosmetic change.
Breaks compatibility with other boorus.
Requires fixing 100+ other Touhou tags at the same time, plus everything that links to them.
Very unpopular given the number of downvotes.
We have this attitude sometimes that "technically correct is the best kind of correct". That's not something I agree with. The "use full names" principle just means "don't use first names only for characters" not "be as pedantic as possible about naming".
I find very funny how much support this proposal has, compared to the one in the opposite direction concerning touhou, considering most of the arguments still apply
It is similar, but the issue there actually isn't necessarily as big an issue with this and that's not simply because the series has fewer posts. In that case the proposed change was for the parent tag with over 660k posts and to make that change of course requires going from start to finish in one go. As this is changing character and similar qualified tags, we can mitigate facing a similar issue by being careful with the BURs and dividing up the number of posts needing to be covered with each one. At minimum we should be careful with the BURs so that we're not having too big a set of posts modified in one go.
The tags with the Kantai_Collection qualifier above 5k posts are:
I find very funny how much support this proposal has, compared to the one in the opposite direction concerning touhou, considering most of the arguments still apply
In Touhou's case we were making the tag longer for pedantic reasons ("~Technically~ it's called Touhou Project, so ~technically~ the tag should be Touhou Project"). I reject arguments that are just based on pedantry and not about solving actual problems.
In Kantai Collection's case, I had to make the tag list wider about a year ago specifically because of Kantai Collection character names being too long, which made the tag list hard to read (before, after). So I do think overly long tag names are a real problem, and I do think long qualifiers should be abbreviated when reasonable.
