Various weapon implications

Create implication claymore_mine -> mine_(weapon)
Create implication mine_(weapon) -> explosive
Create alias explosives -> explosive
Create alias grenades -> grenade
Create implication grenade -> explosive
Create implication goliath_tracked_mine -> mine_(weapon)
Create alias beetle_tank -> goliath_tracked_mine
Create implication naval_mine -> mine_(weapon)
Create implication stielhandgranate -> grenade
Create implication RG-42 -> grenade
Create implication hafthohlladung -> anti-tank_grenade
Create alias panzer_knacker -> hafthohlladung
Create implication anti-tank_grenade -> grenade
Create alias anti_tank_grenade -> anti-tank_grenade
Create alias anti-tank_greandes -> anti-tank_grenade
Create alias anti_tank_grenades -> anti-tank_grenade
Create implication anti-tank_mine -> mine_(weapon)
Create alias anti_tank_mine -> anti-tank_mine
Create alias anti-tank_mines -> anti-tank_mine
Create alias anti_tank_mines -> anti-tank_mine
Create implication plasma_grenade_(halo) -> grenade
Create implication rpg -> weapon
Create implication trigger_discipline -> weapon
Create implication butterfly_knife -> weapon
Create implication butterfly_knife] -> knife
Create alias wa-2000 -> walther_wa-2000
Create alias mp5sd -> h&k_mp5sd
Create implication h&k_mp5sd -> submachine_gun
Create implication h&k_mp5sd -> suppressor

Bumping and adding some additional implications and alias

destroy alias type_90_(tank) -> type 90_Kyu-maru
create alias type_90_(tank) -> type_90_kyu-maru

I forgot a _ here.

Done

create implication makarov_pm -> handgun
create alias svd_dragunov -> dragunov_svd
create implication triple_wielding -> weapon
create implication dual_wielding -> weapon
create implication gangsta_hold -> weapon
create implication quadruple_wielding -> weapon
create implication boys_anti_tank_rifle -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication jatimatic -> submachine_gun
create implication cqc -> weapon
create alias anti-material_rifle -> anti-materiel_rifle
destroy implication barret -> anti-material_rifle
destroy implication m107 -> anti-material_rifle
destroy implication m82a1 -> anti-material_rifle
destroy implication ptrd-41 -> anti-material_rifle
create implication barret -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication m107 -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication m82a1 -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication ptrd-41 -> anti-materiel_rifle

reason: The _wielding pages says its for weapons, so this makes sense.

Also the anti-material alias broke again.

Anelaid said:
create implication triple_wielding -> weapon
create implication dual_wielding -> weapon
create implication gangsta_hold -> weapon
create implication quadruple_wielding -> weapon

There are some issues on this. While it does say they're for weapons, there have been some non-weapons also using the wielding tags. Particularly dual_wielding fan. It should be noted that it isn't uncommon for some fans to be used as weapons, but that doesn't mean they should be tagged as a such.

Personally I do not think any of the wielding tags or even the gangsta_hold tag should implicate the weapon tag. I think there is room in all of them for non-weapons to end up under these tags and as such should not implicate the weapon tag.

Just to provide an example (though no images of it), the character Kuonji Ukyou from Ranma 1/2 in the series commonly dual wields either two spatulas or 2 hands a single large spatula. In her case though not only does she use the spatulas for cooking, but also as a weapon. Particularly using the large spatula as a 2-handed weapon and the smaller spatulas like daggers or throwing knives/darts.

Gangsta hold applies exclusively to weapons, especially pistols or one-handed SMGs (I guess some images could have larger weapons for funvalue) but I can see issues with the other tags.

triple wielding and quadruple wielding, to me, would be very unlikely to be applied to anything that isn't a true weapon.

Anelaid said:
Create implication Sherman_(tank) -> m4_sherman
Create implication m4_sherman -> Sherman

encountered the terms recently and i'll just ask if one is a specific subset of the other or should they be better as aliases? and the tag type is char too? thanks.

EDIT:
@S1eth: ok thanks. going to read the linked thread now. i also found forum #69893 where the char tag type was briefly mentioned.

I still think all airplanes, tanks, cars, etc. should be general. I can't find all the old discussions, but apparently, we once made an exception for mecha (well, they actually look like people to some extent) and personifications of them and this spread to other tags.

See the last few posts of forum #55204. That's the last time I asked about this. Didn't someone else also mention the "airplane = character" topic a few days ago?

S1eth said:
I still think all airplanes, tanks, cars, etc. should be general. I can't find all the old discussions, but apparently, we once made an exception for mecha (well, they actually look like people to some extent) and personifications of them and this spread to other tags.

Mecha became characters after post #401631 I think.

Please do this:

remove implication [[butterfly_knife]|butterfly_knife] ]]-> knife

Reasons:

• The former has a typo (the bracket).
• butterfly_knife is aliased to balisong, that implicates knife

Done

bump. it appears that sherman, m4_sherman, and sherman_(tank) all refer to the same thing. requesting an alias instead.

remove implication m4_sherman -> sherman
remove implication sherman_(tank) -> m4_sherman

create alias sherman_(tank) -> m4_sherman

optional but unnecessary:
create alias sherman -> m4_sherman

Done

create implication mp-412_rex -> revolver
create implication mp-412_rex -> handgun
create implication m32 -> milkor_MGL (the former is a variant of the latter)
create implicationm320 -> grenade_launcher (the only picture we have it the stand-alone, and since it can be either, its better to leave it as grenade_launcher and tag it if its being underslung)
create implication g36c -> g36
create alias rpd -> degtyaryov_rpd
create implication degtyaryov_rpd -> light_machine_gun
create implication rpg-29 -> RPG
create implication mpi_aks-74n -> assault_rifle
create implication hk416 -> assault_rifle
create implication hk416 -> heckler_&_koch
create implication hk417 -> battle_rifle
create implication hk417 -> heckler_&_koch
create implication mare's_leg -> lever_action
create implication lever_action -> weapon
create implication kel-tec_rfb ->bullpup
create implicationkel-tec_rfb -> rifle
create implication beretta_ar70/90 -> assault_rifle
create implication Bren_LMG -> light_machine_gun
create implication light_machine_gun -> machine_gun
create alias m1919 -> m1919_browning
create implication m1919_browning -> machine_gun
create alias browning_m2 -> m2_Machine_gun
create implication M2_machine_gun -> heavy_machine_gun
create implication degtyaryov_dp-28 -> light_machine_gun
create alias dp-28 -> degtyaryov_dp-28
create implication m60_machinegun -> machine_gun (All of the m60s we have are of the machinegun variant, but the designation 'm60' can refer to an assault rifle or recoiless rifle, among other things, so could the images be moved without creating an alias?)
create implication m249 -> light_machine_gun
create implication mg34 -> light_machine_gun
create implication m1918_bar -> light_machine_gun
create implication type_11_lmg -> light_machine_gun
create implication bomb -> explosive
create implicationpipe_bomb -> bomb
create implication time_bomb -> bomb
create implication cannon -> weapon
create implication psychogun -> arm_cannon
create implication satellite_cannon -> weapon
create implication dynamite -> explosive
create implication panzerfaust_3 -> rpg
create implication missile -> explosive
create implication hydra_70 -> [[missile
create implication antique_firearm -> firearm
create implication Arquebus -> antique_firearm
create implication blunderbuss -> antique_firearm
create implication firelock -> antique_firearm
create implication caplock -> firelock
create implication flintlock -> firelock
create implication matchlock -> firelock
create alias wheellock -> wheel-lock
create implication wheel-lock -> firelock
create implication jezail -> firelock
create implication enfield_sa-80 -> bullpup
create implication enfield_sa-80 -> assault_rifle
create implication g11 -> assault_rifle
create implication howa_type_89 -> assault_rifle
create implication ak101 -> assault_rifle
create implication qbz-03 -> assault_rifle
create implication seburo_c26a-> machine_pistol
create implication seburo_c26a -> bullpup

Updated implications/aliases.

Anelaid said:

destroy implication arm_cannon -> cannon

create implication hydra_70 -> missile

-1 for the arm_cannon -> cannon implication. Things that fall under the arm cannon tag are not all necessarily cannons (ex: post #958151 and the psychogun you're proposing implicate arm_cannon).

The hydra_70 is a rocket weapon, not a missile. The hydra 70 is unguided, while to be classified a missile there needs to be a guidance system. At minimum the wiki for missile would need to be changed to reflect that our usage for the term does not reflect weapon classification and make note it covers both unguided rockets and guided missiles should this implication be carried out.

NWF_Renim said:

-1 for the arm_cannon -> cannon implication. Things that fall under the arm cannon tag are not all necessarily cannons (ex: post #958151 and the psychogun you're proposing implicate arm_cannon).

The hydra_70 is a rocket weapon, not a missile. The hydra 70 is unguided, while to be classified a missile there needs to be a guidance system. At minimum the wiki for missile would need to be changed to reflect that our usage for the term does not reflect weapon classification and make note it covers both unguided rockets and guided missiles should this implication be carried out.

The only issue is that rocket is reserved for non-military rockets, it seems easier just to list military rockets as missile with the caveat that missile is being reappropiated.

I agree with the other issue, so I'll remove that implication.

Anelaid said:

The only issue is that rocket is reserved for non-military rockets, it seems easier just to list military rockets as missile with the caveat that missile is being reappropiated.

I guess I should have more specifically mentioned it, but the current wiki for missile itself states "A self-propelled guided weapon system." Which is why the wiki needs to at least be changed at minimum if we do this implication.

create implication steyr_acr -> bullpup
create implication steyr_acr -> assault_rifle
create implication stg45 -> assault_rifle
create implication t65_assault_rifle -> assault_rifle
create implication t91_assault_rifle -> assault_rifle
create alias tar-21 -> imi_tavor_tar-21
create implication imi_tavor_tar-21 -> assault_rifle
create implication imi_tavor_tar-21 -> assault_rifle
create implication Vektor_cr-21 -> assault_rifle
create implication ar-10 -> battle_rifle
create alias g3 -> h&k_g3
create implication lewis_gun -> light_machine_gun
create implication m240 -> machine_gun
create implication pkm -> machine_gun
create implication mg3 -> machine_gun
create implication rpk -> light_machine_gun
create alias type_92_hmg -> type_92_heavy_machine_gun
create implication type_92_heavy_machine_gun -> heavy_machine_gun
create implication type_99_light_machine_gun -> light_machine_gun
create implication type_99_tank -> tank
create implication xm307 -> grenade_launcher (this is technically a grenade machine gun, but I doubt we have enough of those to warrant a seaparate tag)
create implication gau-8_avenger -> gatling_gun
create implication m134_minigun -> galing_gun
create implication m167_VADS -> minigun
create alias browning_m1910 -> fn_model_1910
create implication fn_model_1910 -> hangun
create alias fn_1910 -> hangun
create implication colt_double_eagle -> hangun
create implication five-seven_(gun) -> hangun
create alias fn_1903 -> fn_model_1903
create implication fn_model_1903 -> hangun
create implication [fp-45_liberator -> hangun
create alias usp -> h&k_usp
create implication h&k_usp -> hangun
create implication h&k_usp -> heckler_&_koch
create implication mauser_hsc -> handgun
create implication nambu_type_14 -> hangun
create implication makarov_pm -> hangun
create implication browning_hi-power -> hangun
create implication qsz_92 -> hangun
create implication ruger_p95 -> hangun
create implication serdyukov_sps -> hangun
create implication vychlop_vks/vssk -> silenced
create implication vychlop_vks/vssk -> anti-materiel_rifle
create alias p228 -> sig_sauer_p228
create implication sig_sauer_p228 -> hangun
create implication sig_sauer_p228 ->sig_sauer
remove implication thompson_contender -> gun
create implication thompson_contender -> handgun
create implication walther_p5 -> walther
create implication walther_p38 -> walther
create implication walther_p99 -> walther
create implication walther_ppk -> walther
create implication webley_revolver -> revolver
remove implication webley -> revolver
remove implication webley -> handgun
create implication webley_revolver -> hangun
create implication colt_python -> hangun
create implication colt_python -> revolver
create implication colt_1861_navy -> revolver
create implication colt_1861_navy -> hangun
create implication colt_1851_navy -> revolver
create implication colt_1851_navy -> hangun
create implication m1_garand -> rifle
create implication bolt-action -> weapon
create implication mosin-nagat -> rifle
create implication arisaka -> rifle
create implication lee-enfield -> rifle
create implication blaser_R93 -> bolt-action
create implication blaser_r93 -> sniper_rifle
create implication remington_model_700 -> sniper_rifle
create implication remington_model_700 -> bolt-action
create implication pp-2000 -> submachine_gun
create implication mini-uzi -> submachine_gun
create implication beam_rifle -> energy_gun
remove implication beam_rifle -> gun
remove implication ray_gun -> gun
create implication ray_gun -> energy_gun
create implication plasma_rifle -> energy_gun
create implication laser_rifle -> energy_gun
create implication brugger-thomet_mp9 -> submachine_gun
create implication energy_gun -> weapon
create implication western_hatchet -> hatchet
create implication oriental_hatchet -> hatchet
create implication nose_hatchet -> hatchet
create implication jamadhar -> dagger
create implication mac-11 -> submachine_gun
create implication magpul_fmg_9 -> submachine_gun
create implication jatimatic -> submachine_gun
create implication h&k_mp7 -> heckler_&_koch
create implication h&k_mp5k -> heckler_&_koch
create implication h&k_ump -> heckler_&_koch
create implication h&K_mp5 -> heckler_&_koch
create implication lanchester_smg -> submachine_gun
create implication m50_reising -> submachine_gun
create implication suomi_kp/-31 -> submachine_gun
create implication mat-49 -> submachine_gun
create implication p90 -> submachine_gun
create implication psl_romak -> sniper_rifle
create implication walther -> walther_wa_2000
create implication xm2010 -> sniper_rifle
create implication m110_sass -> sniper_rifle
create implication lr2a -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication ntw-20 -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication benelli_m1014 -> shotgun
create implication remington_870 -> shotgun
create implication remington_new_model -> revolver
create implication remington_model_31 -> shotgun
create implication gewehr_41 -> rifle
create implication ruger_mini-14 -> rifle
create implication spas-15 -> shotgun
create implication stielhandgranate -> grenade
create implication bolter -> weapon
create implication remington_msr -> sniper_rifle
create implication remington_msr -> bolt-action
create implication colt_woodsman -> hangun
create implication h&k_mp5sd -> submachine_gun
create implication h&k_mp5sd -> silencer
create implication h&K_mp5sd -> heckler_&_koch
create implication mp443 -> handgun
create implication dragunov_svu -> silencer
create implication dragunov_svu -> bullpup
create implication dragunov_svu -> sniper_rifle
create implication mp38 -> submachine_gun

Do we still implicate tank when it comes to a specific tank?

Anelaid said:

destroy implication thompson_contender -> gun

Just so you know, the syntax accepted by the batch importer is "remove implication"/"remove alias".

Toks said:

Just so you know, the syntax accepted by the batch importer is "remove implication"/"remove alias".

Saw someone in a recent thread use destroy, so I thought the syntax was changed.

That's quite the list... done.

Edit: oh and fixed "hangun" in the list to "handgun"