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BrokenEagle98 said:
Also, would it be valuable to break up tanks into different types, such as light, medium, heavy, etc?
Isn't this only a question of willpower and determination? :P
Personally, I'd like to search for a specific tank class. However, there are only 2.3k tank posts on Danbooru ...
Yeah, but the amount of posts isn't as much of an issue as the demand for such a classification. If people want it, then it'll be much easier to add it in now, then to go back and fix all of the implications.
An example of what it would entail is as follows:
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create implication tiger_i -> heavy_tank
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create implication heavy_tank -> tank
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For an example of tanks that already have the tank implication:
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remove implication panzerkampfwagen_iv -> tank
create implication panzerkampfwagen_iv -> medium_tank
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create implication medium_tank -> tank
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BrokenEagle98 said:
Yeah, but the amount of posts isn't as much of an issue as the demand for such a classification. If people want it, then it'll be much easier to add it in now, then to go back and fix all of the implications.
Okay!
BrokenEagle98 said:
An example of what it would entail is as follows:
create implication tiger_i -> heavy_tank
create implication heavy_tank -> tank
We should start by creating a complete list of all tanks present on Danbooru.
I go with BrokenEagle's suggestion. Although I'm not interested at all in this topic, it's better to have classifications (heavy tank etc.).
So +1 for creating/populating the heavy_tank, medium_tank tags and the implication to tank.
Blue_Trident said:
Beyond heavy, medium and light we should also include super-heavy, tank destroyer and tankette.
+1
*= 3 or more instance (add implication)
+= existing implication to tank to remove
mark_i_tank <- (world war i, no classifications)
*mk_iv_tank <- (world war i, no classifications)
a7v_(tank) <- (world war i, no classifications)
tsar_tank
*carro_veloce_cv-33
*l3_(tank)
tks_tankette
+*panzerkampfwagen_i
+*panzerkampfwagen_ii
+*panzerkampfwagen_38(t)
*m3_stuart
*type_2_ke-to
*ft-17
*type_95_ha-gou
+*m24_chaffee
m41_walker_bulldog
*r35
t-50_tank
*t-26
pl-01
amx_elc
h39
t49_light_tank
+*panzerkampfwagen_iii
+*panzerkampfwagen_iv
+*panzerkampfwagen_panther
+*type_97_chi-ha
t-28
+*t-34
t-44
*carro_armato_p40
*sherman_firefly
*m3_lee
*m4_sherman
entwicklung_50
*type_3_chi-nu
*type_4_chi-to
type_5_chi-ri
*type_89_i-gou
*cromwell_(tank) <- [cruiser_tank]
*crusader_(tank) <- [cruiser_tank]
*s35
vickers_medium_mark_iii
comet_(tank) <- [cruiser_tank]
*char_b1
*churchill_(tank)
*tiger_i
*tiger_ii
*tiger_(p)
+*kv-1
+*kv-2
*entwicklung_75
is-1
*is-2
*is-3
*m26_pershing
*matilda_(tank) <- [infantry_tank]
*valentine_(tank) <- [infantry_tank]
experimental_type_91_heavy_tank
t29_heavy_tank
t34_heavy_tank
t110_heavy_tank
*t-35
landkreuzer_p1000_ratte
panzerkampfwagen_e-100
t28_super_heavy_tank
+*panzerkampfwagen_viii_maus
*tog_ii
*bt-42
*semovente_75/18
*sturmgeschutz_iii
*jagdtiger
*jagdpanther
jagdpanther_ii
*jagdpanzer_38(t)
*m18_hellcat
*marder_iii
elefant
isu-152
su-100
*m10_tank_destroyer
*centurion_(tank)
+*m1_abrams
*m48_patton
m60_patton
leopard_1
+*leopard_2
*t-54
*t-55
t-62
+*t-72
*t-80
+*t-90
*type_10_(tank)
*type_61_(tank)
+*type_74
+*type_90_kyu-maru
*type_96
+*type_99_tank
+merkava
t-14_armata
pokpung-ho
amx-40
stridsvagn_103
*stryker
*bmp-1
bmp-2
bmp-3
*m2_bradley
*lav-25
*m113
*btr-80
btr-90
*zsu-23-4
*bmd-3
su-122
su-152
isu-122
*karl_gerat
panzerhaubitze_2000
m7_priest
*sturmgeschutz_iii <- [assault_gun]
sturmgeschutz_iv <- [assault_gun]
sturmtiger <- [assault_gun]
m270_mlrs
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There's also m48_patton, t28_super_heavy_tank and m41_walker_bulldog. It might be a good idea to make the list expandable.
Blue_Trident said:
There's also m48_patton, t28_super_heavy_tank and m41_walker_bulldog. It might be a good idea to make the list expandable.
We can collaborate with Etherpad!
My original list included tanks with only 5 or more instances (besides the tanks that already have implications)... is that something we want to keep up, or should we go lower or higher?
Also, as far as tank classifications goes:
World War II:
- Tankette
- Light Tank
- Medium Tank
- Heavy Tank
- Super Heavy Tank
- Assault Gun
- Tank Destroyer (Optional Classification)
Modern
- Main Battle Tank
Edit:
Assault Gun is the proper classification for self-propelled artillery, and tank destroyer seems to be an optional classification (not sure if we want to keep it).
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BrokenEagle98 said:
My original list included tanks with only 5 or more instances (besides the tanks that already have implications)... is that something we want to keep up, or should we go lower or higher?
If we don't create an implication for these tanks, we should still mention them in the wiki entry of their respective class.
reiyasona said:
If we don't create an implication for these tanks, we should still mention them in the wiki entry of their respective class.
Yeah, that's not a problem, although instead of listing them in each class, it might be better to segregate things in the List of Ground Vehicles wiki.
reiyasona said:
We can collaborate with Etherpad!
Neat! I'll see what I can do.
BrokenEagle98 said:
My original list included tanks with only 5 or more instances (besides the tanks that already have implications)... is that something we want to keep up, or should we go lower or higher?
My first instinct is to say since we're already working on it we might as well do as many as we can. Though perhaps it's not worth it for the tanks with only 1 or 2 posts.
BrokenEagle98 said:
Yeah, that's not a problem, although instead of listing them in each class, it might be better to segregate things in the List of Ground Vehicles wiki.
It might be worth creating a separate List of Armored Vehicles and get rid of the partial listing on the tank wiki page.
Do we want to create a tag for infantry fighting vehicles as well?
Not that I wish to be the one to rain on your guys' parade, but I do not see the value in making tank subtypes into tags. As far as I see it they're only worthwhile as categories for a list. The reason for this is I fail to see a strong visual identifier between the types that would warrant making subtypes to partition the tank tag.
What visual differences would actually tell a user that the M24 Chaffee (post #431995) is a light tank, as opposed to a medium tank like the Type 97 Chi-Ha (post #1937846)? Or perhaps that the Panther (post #1363209) is a medium tank as opposed to a heavy tank like the Tiger I (post #2282840)? What divides a super heavy tank like the T28 Super Heavy Tank (post #2268695) from a heavy assault gun like the Sturmtiger (post #1356683)?
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What about the other aspect of the request, i.e. 5 or more posts? Should that number be higher or lower? I currently have another update request in the works with all tanks with 3 or more posts, and I can easily tailor the existing request if that number should be higher (i.e. more than 5).
NWF_Renim said:
Not that I wish to be the one to rain on your guys' parade, but I do not see the value in making tank subtypes into tags. As far as I see it they're only worthwhile as categories for a list. The reason for this is I fail to see a strong visual identifier between the types that would warrant making subtypes to partition the tank tag.
What visual differences would actually tell a user that the M24 Chaffee (post #431995) is a light tank, as opposed to a medium tank like the Type 97 Chi-Ha (post #1937846)? Or perhaps that the Panther (post #1363209) is a medium tank as opposed to a heavy tank like the Tiger I (post #2282840)? What divides a super heavy tank like the T28 Super Heavy Tank (post #2268695) from a heavy assault gun like the Sturmtiger (post #1356683)?
This is more about specs and classification than rough optical differences. However, a trained eye can very well spot huge differences by looking at the armament, armor and overall construction.
NWF_Renim said:
In general if a tag has 20 or more posts, I personally am of the opinion that's enough to start considering an implication. In this case, I guess just make sure at least the number of posts hits the double digits if you're going to propose an implication for it.
Got it, I'll be updating the request then for 10 or more posts.
Additionally, different class tags would allow for narrower searching than just the very broad tank, without having to string together all the tanks individually. medium tank verus ~panzerkampfwagen_iii ~panzerkampfwagen_iv ~panzerkampfwagen_panther ~type_97_chi-ha ~m4_sherman ~m3_lee etc. Virtually all of the sub-types are already tags, so this would just be formalizing their use.
reiyasona said:
This is more about specs and classification than rough optical differences. However, a trained eye can very well spot huge differences by looking at the armament, armor and overall construction.
If this is only about pure information and has pretty much no major visual differences and lots of overlap between categories, then again I'm going to have to disagree with trying to create them. This sounds again like information that should be reserved for tag lists and the wikis of these individual vehicles.
Also a problem with these categories is that it was their respective militaries that classified them, and how each one classified them didn't necessarily fit into a unified scheme as all the others militaries.
I'm also rather against tags like the tank destroyer tag, because that was a role and various types of vehicles could fit into that role, thus it would be nothing more than a grab bag of various vehicles that share a role but not a common design.
Blue_Trident said:
Additionally, different class tags would allow for narrower searching than just the very broad tank, without having to string together all the tanks individually. medium tank verus ~panzerkampfwagen_iii ~panzerkampfwagen_iv ~panzerkampfwagen_panther ~type_97_chi-ha ~m4_sherman ~m3_lee etc. Virtually all of the sub-types are already tags, so this would just be formalizing their use.
But again, what does this tag even visually indicate? You're failing in defining that outside of the fact that that was what their military labelled them as. If you wish to search for specific vehicles in a category, have them separated by type in a tag list.
