Chilly93 said:
What does that even mean lol?
Why would you use ai to generate an illustration then redraw it? Makes no sense.
The same way people use writing prompts for stories. It's not really far-fetched.
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Chilly93 said:
What does that even mean lol?
Why would you use ai to generate an illustration then redraw it? Makes no sense.
Well, there are some actual artist who did use AI to create the initial image before actually redrawn it to save some time. Though this guy's "redraw" doesn't look so convincing at all.
Chilly93 said:
What does that even mean lol?
Why would you use ai to generate an illustration then redraw it? Makes no sense.
that's actually one of the best possible uses of AI for artists (in theory), being more loose with what is told to the ai just to get something solid enough for them to draw what they have in mind with their own work and style but with fewer risk of error and with less steps.
Although in practice, in most cases it would be used in a legitimate way to generate backgrounds only, i've yet to see an artist use those advanced AI models to generate a base for the character theyre gonna draw and actually do it in an honest way (but there may be some, idk), without nullifying the need to cultivate their own art skills and making their art just look way above what their current skills allow.
Marlor said:
the image at full size lets you see various areas that show visible brush strokes, and the overall rendering and style doesnt look off compared to the other works from the same artist that i can say 100% arent AI
Marlor said:
Shading and the way they censored the art may give some AI vibes. Tho other works by this artist seems to be legit. So I don't think this is an AI art.
His previous work https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6128836?q=xiehou_nangong also has this vibe, especiallly with background
Mayhem-Chan said:
the image at full size lets you see various areas that show visible brush strokes, and the overall rendering and style doesnt look off compared to the other works from the same artist that i can say 100% arent AI
I'm also on team real. Open the full res image and you can see paint marks on the jewelry
Ironically, I wonder if there are Artists out there who can draw anime but they purposely mimic A.I? Would be one hell of a troll move.
Marlor said:
His previous work https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6128836?q=xiehou_nangong also has this vibe, especiallly with background
same thing as with the other piece, but this time i wouldnt be surprised if the background was AI
Mayhem-Chan said:
that's actually one of the best possible uses of AI for artists (in theory), being more loose with what is told to the ai just to get something solid enough for them to draw what they have in mind with their own work and style but with fewer risk of error and with less steps.
Although in practice, in most cases it would be used in a legitimate way to generate backgrounds only, i've yet to see an artist use those advanced AI models to generate a base for the character theyre gonna draw and actually do it in an honest way (but there may be some, idk), without nullifying the need to cultivate their own art skills and making their art just look way above what their current skills allow.
The problem tho is that it generates completed illustrations.
Not saying it's impossible, I mean ai could genuinely be used as a tool like for references and stuff too it's just that I don't think I've actually seen it a single time.
I think people would also have a problem with if for example an artist took another artists illustration and used it as base then started changing and painted over it.
I honestly think we'll see a lot of artists who adopt it have their skills stagnate and perhaps even get worse over time and become more and more relient on ai which is really sad.
Maybe unpopular opinion but even for backgrounds I think it's kinda sadge.
Altho I'd probably say backgrounds is something the ai tends to be really bad at quite often, often the background is just totally blurred out or it makes no sense ( like wrong person in mirrors, and real people in the background with smudged out faces and inconsistent lighting etc ).
Chilly93 said:
The problem tho is that it generates completed illustrations.
Not saying it's impossible, I mean ai could genuinely be used as a tool like for references and stuff too it's just that I don't think I've actually seen it a single time.
I think people would also have a problem with if for example an artist took another artists illustration and used it as base then started changing and painted over it.
Of course people would have a problem with that, that's just blatant art theft, but an AI-generated image doesn't belong to anybody, even if the AI used were trained on a single artist's works, and using one for reference is no different from using a human made piece as a reference. References usually tend to be finished pieces, it's not gonna do much good if sketches were the only thing you ever referenced.
Chilly93 said:
The problem tho is that it generates completed illustrations.
Not necessarily, it depends on which exact AI is used, what's fed to it, and there's probably more. But anyway, as blindvigil already said, even when it generates a finished piece, it's not a problem (or not the problem.)
Not saying it's impossible, I mean ai could genuinely be used as a tool like for references and stuff too it's just that I don't think I've actually seen it a single time.
I think i vaguely remember attention being brought on one good example of an artist using ai only for backgrounds a few pages back in this topic, actually, but yea ofc, i agree that in practice honest and fair uses are always gonna be the minority of cases unfortunately, at least until proper legislation finally catches up, if it's not gonna last even longer than that...
I honestly think we'll see a lot of artists who adopt it have their skills stagnate and perhaps even get worse over time and become more and more relient on ai which is really sad.
Yea thats definitely gonna happen to those who do let AI do all the work for them instead of using it to better cultivate their skills more time-effectively, not that they really fear this, since they already gave up any real drive to cultivate those art skills and their income aint gonna get smaller from using AI...
Maybe unpopular opinion but even for backgrounds I think it's kinda sadge.
Altho I'd probably say backgrounds is something the ai tends to be really bad at quite often, often the background is just totally blurred out or it makes no sense ( like wrong person in mirrors, and real people in the background with smudged out faces and inconsistent lighting etc ).
that's where i disagree, but i see exactly where you're coming from, since backgrounds also are something to learn to do for an artist. But:
-The artists who do use AI backgrounds without retouching it are the ones who would otherwise stick to blank backgrounds, so nothing is really lost. And in their case, the backgrounds being blurry is actually a good thing, they dont want it to be the focus of their work.
-The artists who do use AI backgrounds only as a base to figure out more quickly their own idea before painting over it are going to learn from it just as much as those who just take their references from non-AI sources.
But again, that's only talking about the honest and fair uses of AI from artists, at the end of the day we agree and know that most of the uses in practice dont belong in that category
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6131273 - merged fingers?
Marlor said:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6131273 - merged fingers?
Nah, the artist was already drawing slightly weird fingers a year ago.
Slightly related, but anytime you see standard anime art that looks "a.i", keep in mind there are legitimate Artists who had their artstyle stolen, and it's the imposters who are sullying their reputation.
Like take this Artist who is REAL, but there's a model going around that is clearly meant to ape his works.
https://twitter.com/Nekojira/status/1633882318787198978
Same thing happened to this person. They draw, but you might not know because of the clones out there.
Thoughts on recent uploads of the artist un uk? Artstyle changed drastically with post #5857570 which I'd flagged before due to inconsistencies and generally odd elements in the art, and I recall the artist actually posting AI-tagged art on his pixiv months before, which I can't find anymore. Likely has recent art retouched instead of being completely generated.
hosannanajimi said:
Thoughts on recent uploads of the artist un uk? Artstyle changed drastically with post #5857570 which I'd flagged before due to inconsistencies and generally odd elements in the art, and I recall the artist actually posting AI-tagged art on his pixiv months before, which I can't find anymore. Likely has recent art retouched instead of being completely generated.
Wow, this one is bad. There's blatant AI artifacts everywhere and even more blatant editing that doesn't blend in with the rest. Just going with ai-generated for this one.
Their other new posts are not nearly as bad, but a bunch of NovelAI characteristics started showing up that aren't present in their old style (pre-AI examples: post #6061412, post #5032028), so I tagged them with ai-assisted.
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Marlor said:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6131273 - merged fingers?
Honestly I am more concerned with how the hands and feet look backwards or dislocated lol.
Altho yeah, it kinda does look like there's a filter over his work but overall it really doesn't look much different than his old stuff.
post #6132429 seems suspicious. Looks like many users on Twitter started complaining about the hands and then replies became disabled. shexyo has been proven to be utilizing AI at least once, see https://twitter.com/shexyoart/status/1577388263911956481. The ai-assisted tag is also being consistently removed by a user who only joined yesterday, they've done it 3 times already, and are actually going thru a bunch of posts to do the same. This artist has also had a problematic past where it was claimed they're tracing cutesexyrobutts work, see https://twitter.com/cutesexyrobutts/status/1324777297698848770. There exists finetunes of CSRB's work (requires login to view) to also mimic their style now, and tools like ControlNet make this even easier to replicate (or hide).
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