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BUR #4512 has been approved by @evazion.

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create alias mandricardo_(fate/grand_order) -> mandricardo_(fate)
create alias marie_antoinette_(fate/grand_order) -> marie_antoinette_(fate)
create alias marie_antoinette_(alter)_(fate/grand_order) -> marie_antoinette_(alter)_(fate)
create alias mary_read_(fate/grand_order) -> mary_read_(fate)
create alias mata_hari_(fate/grand_order) -> mata_hari_(fate)
create alias matsudaira_nobutsuna_(fate/grand_order) -> matsudaira_nobutsuna_(fate)
create alias mephistopheles_(fate/grand_order) -> mephistopheles_(fate)
create alias minamoto_no_raikou_(fate/grand_order) -> minamoto_no_raikou_(fate)
create alias miyamoto_musashi_(fate/grand_order) -> miyamoto_musashi_(fate)
create alias mochizuki_chiyome_(fate/grand_order) -> mochizuki_chiyome_(fate)
create alias musashibo_benkei_(fate/grand_order) -> musashibo_benkei_(fate)
create alias naga_(fate/grand_order) -> naga_(fate)
create alias napoleon_bonaparte_(fate/grand_order) -> napoleon_bonaparte_(fate)
create alias nezha_(fate/grand_order) -> nezha_(fate)
create alias nikola_tesla_(fate/grand_order) -> nikola_tesla_(fate)
create alias nitocris_(fate/grand_order) -> nitocris_(fate)
create alias oda_nobukatsu_(fate/grand_order) -> oda_nobukatsu_(fate)
create alias odysseus_(fate/grand_order) -> odysseus_(fate)
create alias onui_(fate/grand_order) -> onui_(fate)
create alias oprichnik_(fate/grand_order) -> oprichnik_(fate)
create alias osakabe-hime_(fate/grand_order) -> osakabe-hime_(fate)
create alias paris_(fate/grand_order) -> paris_(fate)
create alias parvati_(fate/grand_order) -> parvati_(fate)
create alias paul_bunyan_(fate/grand_order) -> paul_bunyan_(fate)
create alias penthesilea_(fate/grand_order) -> penthesilea_(fate)
create alias phantom_of_the_opera_(fate/grand_order) -> phantom_of_the_opera_(fate)
create alias pollux_(fate/grand_order) -> pollux_(fate)
create alias qin_shi_huang_(fate/grand_order) -> qin_shi_huang_(fate)
create alias queen_of_sheba_(fate/grand_order) -> queen_of_sheba_(fate)
create alias quetzalcoatl_(fate/grand_order) -> quetzalcoatl_(fate)
create alias rama_(fate/grand_order) -> rama_(fate)
create alias rasputin_(fate/grand_order) -> rasputin_(fate)
create alias red_hare_(fate/grand_order) -> red_hare_(fate)
create alias roland_(fate/grand_order) -> roland_(fate)
create alias romulus_(fate/grand_order) -> romulus_(fate)
create alias romulus_quirinus_(fate/grand_order) -> romulus_quirinus_(fate)
create alias sakata_kintoki_(fate/grand_order) -> sakata_kintoki_(fate)
create alias salome_(fate/grand_order) -> salome_(fate)
create alias scathach_skadi_(fate/grand_order) -> scathach_skadi_(fate)
create alias scheherazade_(fate/grand_order) -> scheherazade_(fate)
create alias sherlock_holmes_(fate/grand_order) -> sherlock_holmes_(fate)
create alias shibata_katsuie_(fate/grand_order) -> shibata_katsuie_(fate)
create alias shuten_douji_(fate/grand_order) -> shuten_douji_(fate)
create alias siduri_(fate/grand_order) -> siduri_(fate)
create alias sigurd_(fate/grand_order) -> sigurd_(fate)
create alias sita_(fate/grand_order) -> sita_(fate)
create alias solomon_(fate/grand_order) -> solomon_(fate)
create alias spriggan_(fate/grand_order) -> spriggan_(fate)
create alias summer_casual_(fate/grand_order) -> summer_casual_(fate)
create alias surtr_(fate/grand_order) -> surtr_(fate)
create alias tasuke_(fate/grand_order) -> tasuke_(fate)
create alias tawara_touta_(fate/grand_order) -> tawara_touta_(fate)
create alias thomas_edison_(fate/grand_order) -> thomas_edison_(fate)
create alias tiamat_(fate/grand_order) -> tiamat_(fate)
create alias tristan_(fate/grand_order) -> tristan_(fate)
create alias tokitarou_(fate/grand_order) -> tokitarou_(fate)
create alias tomoe_gozen_(fate/grand_order) -> tomoe_gozen_(fate)
create alias valkyrie_(fate/grand_order) -> valkyrie_(fate)
create alias ortlinde_(fate/grand_order) -> ortlinde_(fate)
create alias hildr_(fate/grand_order) -> hildr_(fate)
create alias thrud_(fate/grand_order) -> thrud_(fate)
create alias william_tell_(fate/grand_order) -> william_tell_(fate)
create alias wolfgang_amadeus_mozart_(fate/grand_order) -> wolfgang_amadeus_mozart_(fate)
create alias wu_zetian_(fate/grand_order) -> wu_zetian_(fate)
create alias xiang_yu_(fate/grand_order) -> xiang_yu_(fate)
create alias yagyuu_munenori_(fate/grand_order) -> yagyuu_munenori_(fate)
create alias yan_qing_(fate/grand_order) -> yan_qing_(fate)
create alias yang_guifei_(fate/grand_order) -> yang_guifei_(fate)

Change *_(fate/grand_order) to *_(fate). Continued from above.

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evazion

nonamethanks said:

excalibur should get the qualifier too. There's only 7 posts under excalibur -fate_(series) that imo should get their own tag for the mythological sword.

I skipped it because it's not clear to me what it should be called. The Fate wiki lists three different Excaliburs:

The proposed qualifier for Excalibur was Excalibur (Fate/stay night), but according to the Fate wiki it also appears in Fate/Grand Order, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya. There are also like 7 different variations of this Excalibur described in the wiki. All of this makes me unsure if Fate/stay night is really the right qualifier.

(This is why doing too much at once is a nightmare. Almost every Fate tag has some kind of bullshit like this I have to research and study to determine if we're doing the right thing, which blocks the entire request every time one of these questions comes up.)

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nonamethanks

evazion said:

I skipped it because it's not clear to me what it should be called. The Fate wiki lists three different Excaliburs:

The proposed qualifier for Excalibur was Excalibur (Fate/stay night), but according to the Fate wiki it also appears in Fate/Grand Order, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya. There are also like 7 different variations of this Excalibur described in the wiki. All of this makes me unsure if Fate/stay night is really the right qualifier.

(This is why doing too much at once is a nightmare. Almost every Fate tag has some kind of bullshit like this I have to research and study to determine if we're doing the right thing, which blocks the entire request every time one of these questions comes up.)

I don't think it makes a difference if we just settle with _(fate) vs _(fate/grand_order) since it's the "main" one and it appears in tons of other series, and the prototype variant already has a qualifier.

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evazion

BUR #4558 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias prydwen -> prydwen_(fate)
create alias gate_of_babylon -> gate_of_babylon_(fate)
create alias vasavi_shakti -> vasavi_shakti_(fate)
create alias kanshou_&_bakuya -> kanshou_&_bakuya_(fate)
create alias unlimited_blade_works -> unlimited_blade_works_(fate)
create alias gae_dearg -> gae_dearg_(fate)
create alias gae_buidhe -> gae_buidhe_(fate)
create alias ionioi_hetairoi -> ionioi_hetairoi_(fate)
create alias gordius_wheel -> gordius_wheel_(fate)
create alias volumen_hydragyrum -> volumen_hydragyrum_(fate)
create alias himitsucalibur -> himitsucalibur_(fate)

More *_(fate) qualifiers for unqualified Fate tags.

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evazion

BUR #4580 has been approved by @evazion.

rename avenger_class_(fate/stay_night) -> avenger_class_(fate)
rename rider_class_(fate/stay_night) -> rider_class_(fate)
rename assassin_class_(fate/stay_night) -> assassin_class_(fate)
rename saber_class_(fate/stay_night) -> saber_class_(fate)
rename lancer_class_(fate/stay_night) -> lancer_class_(fate)
rename caster_class_(fate/stay_night) -> caster_class_(fate)
rename berserker_class_(fate/stay_night) -> berserker_class_(fate)
rename archer_class_(fate/stay_night) -> archer_class_(fate)

These tags are apparently for characters from some sort of card art seen in post #14661. I still don't really understand what these tags are about, the wikis do a poor job of explaining it and the Type-Moon wiki doesn't do a good job either. I gather they also appear in Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA though, so they don't seem to be Fate/stay night specific.

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evazion said:

BUR #4580 has been approved by @evazion.

rename avenger_class_(fate/stay_night) -> avenger_class_(fate)
rename rider_class_(fate/stay_night) -> rider_class_(fate)
rename assassin_class_(fate/stay_night) -> assassin_class_(fate)
rename saber_class_(fate/stay_night) -> saber_class_(fate)
rename lancer_class_(fate/stay_night) -> lancer_class_(fate)
rename caster_class_(fate/stay_night) -> caster_class_(fate)
rename berserker_class_(fate/stay_night) -> berserker_class_(fate)
rename archer_class_(fate/stay_night) -> archer_class_(fate)

These tags are apparently for characters from some sort of card art seen in post #14661. I still don't really understand what these tags are about, the wikis do a poor job of explaining it and the Type-Moon wiki doesn't do a good job either. I gather they also appear in Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA though, so they don't seem to be Fate/stay night specific.

Looks like it's being used as padding in some cases. It should only be for faceless archetype classes like the ones that appear in cards or in the Fate/Zero ED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryhv0Gguljs they can be seen at the start here).

Edit: fixed the mistags and updated the wikis.

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evazion said:

I gather they also appear in Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA ILLYA though, so they don't seem to be Fate/stay night specific.

They first appeared in F/SN, but they appear in the entire series. I think their most noticeable appeareance is in F/GO during summoning, as the art of just-summoned cards.
Basically the tl;dr is that they're nameless faceless artworks depicting the class archetype.
There's one particular exception where i'm not sure how it should be handled, since it depicts a specific character, although still retaining the "faceless" feature.

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evazion

BUR #4585 has been approved by @evazion.

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This renames Fate/strange Fake characters to use true names instead of class names. Currently we're using a mix of class names and true names.

Fate/strange Fake is especially confusing because there are two versions of every class, a "False" version and a "True" version. For example, there's a False Caster and a True Caster, a False Rider and a True Rider, etc. These False and True characters are completely different characters, they're not different versions of the same character. This makes tags like Rider (fate/strange fake) or Caster (fate/strange fake) ambiguous, because there are two Riders and two Casters.

I'm not sure what to do with Berserker (Fate/Strange Fake), aka False Berserker. His true name is Jack the Ripper, but there's also a Jack the Ripper (Fate/Apocrypha), who also appears in Fate/Grand Order, and who apparently has little in common with the Jack the Ripper from Fate/strange Fake.

That gives us two options:

Or

Using class names instead of copyright names seems slightly better to me, because Jack the Ripper (Fate/Apocrypha) is also in Fate/Grand Order, and is possibly better known from there. Also it's what the Type-Moon wiki uses.

Other notes:

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nonamethanks

Username_Hidden said:

True Assassin is from Fate/Stay Night.
He's called Hassan-I-Sabbah like all the other ("traditional") assassin-class servants.
The lore reason is that each of them is a different "old man of the mountain", but to differentiate them they have different names, like Hassan of Serenity, Hassan of a hundred faces, ...

And female_assassin_(fate/zero), and king_hassan_(fate)... Basically we use assassin (fate/zero) for the generic one, and the specific tags for the named or visually distinct variants. In Fate/Zero there's several dozen of them. true assassin in particular is a version with a long arm that appears in F/SN.

Keep in mind there's ALSO assassin_(fate/stay_night), which is actually the "fake" assassin of F/SN, and that the Type-Moon wiki calls Sasaki Kojirou, that has nothing to do with the Hassan characters. In fate/grand order this character is actually called "Nameless saber". We should decide whether to rename this character to his real name, given all the confusing names across series.

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nonamethanks said:

And female_assassin_(fate/zero), and king_hassan_(fate)... Basically we use assassin (fate/zero) for the generic one, and the specific tags for the named or visually distinct variants.

Assassin_(fate/zero) is Hassan of Hundred Faces. Female_Assassin_(fate/zero) and child_assassin_(fate/zero) are both "variants" of Hundred Faces, but the others Hassans have nothing to do with Hundred Faces.
Also just to add some context, King_Hassan_(fate) is the "First Hassan", introduced in F/GO.

Keep in mind there's ALSO assassin_(fate/stay_night), which is actually the "fake" assassin of F/SN, and that the Type-Moon wiki calls Sasaki Kojirou, that has nothing to do with the Hassan characters. In fate/grand order this character is actually called "Nameless saber". We should decide whether to rename this character to his real name, given all the confusing names across series.

In F/GO he appears as Sasaki Kojirou. "Nameless Saber" is his Saber variant, who appears in the Shimosa storyline as an NPC and isn't summonable (yet?). If he ends up being summonable, he may appear as Sasaki Kojirou.

evazion said:

Fate/strange Fake is especially confusing because there are two versions of every class, a "False" version and a "True" version. For example, there's a False Caster and a True Caster, a False Rider and a True Rider, etc. These False and True characters are completely different characters, they're not different versions of the same character. This makes tags like Rider (fate/strange fake) or Caster (fate/strange fake) ambiguous, because there are two Riders and two Casters.

I can't say i know much about F/SF, but i believe it's similar to the black/red faction servants in Apocrypha.

I'm not sure what to do with Berserker (Fate/Strange Fake), aka False Berserker. His true name is Jack the Ripper, but there's also a Jack the Ripper (Fate/Apocrypha), who also appears in Fate/Grand Order, and who apparently has little in common with the Jack the Ripper from Fate/strange Fake.

+1 to class differentiation.
Basically the lore reason behind this is that each class archetype manifests the same heroic spirit in a different way, more or less.
It has to do with the same character having different "faces".
(I'm not sure if explaining the lore is helping making things make more sense, but putting this here just in case.)

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nonamethanks

Username_Hidden said:

Assassin_(fate/zero) is Hassan of Hundred Faces. Female_Assassin_(fate/zero) and child_assassin_(fate/zero) are both "variants" of Hundred Faces, but the others Hassans have nothing to do with Hundred Faces.

They're supposed to be the same character story-wise. The point is, we don't do the _(all) nonsense with them that we do with Saber or similar. Note how hassan of serenity's first stage art is basically female assassin with short hair.

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