The main thing is, it's being treated like there's a major problem to be remedied here, but like richie above, I'm at a loss as to what that could be.
Is it that we occasionally get stupidly worded flags? Well, that can be taken care of now and hardly warrants taking away the flag ability entirely.
Is it that perfectly good images are sometimes flagged? Well, that's a rarity, and that's just a quick re-approval and negative/neutral record now.
Is it the vagueness of the flags? There's no data that suggests Contributor+ users flag with any more detail than do Member/Priv ranks, at least none that are available to the rest of us.
What would adding restrictions even accomplish, other than reducing the number of eyes on the watch for images that slipped in and making it so users must once again bug the janitors to delete bad posts on the forum?
I also question why you claim most basic users do not understand the use of the flag system, when things moved along fine for a long time, and currently still are, with people who understood the system flagging ToS violations, poor quality images, and quality checks. and people who didn't just not using the system altogether. (The appeal system on the other hand, has been improperly used since its advent, but that's a separate issue.)
I also question why you claim most basic users do not understand the use of the flag system, when things moved along fine for a long time, and currently still are, with people who understood the system flagging ToS violations, poor quality images, and quality checks. and people who didn't just not using the system altogether. (The appeal system on the other hand, has been improperly used since its advent, but that's a separate issue.)
That is what I am questioning. The old system basically required a forum post which limited the people who would do it. Generally they were people who knew the system.
Now anyone can flag and most new users while they might know the rules likely don't understand danbooru quality.
I wonder if there is in reality any benefit to allowing basic users to flag.
Anyway at this point I think what we need is the opinion of the janitors+ with regards to the number of incorrectly flagged images.
It just seems there has been a steady increase in flagged images that are getting re approved and it seems a bit of a waste of time.
Of course this assumes the folks flagging are new users as opposed to people who have been around awhile.
I could be seeing something that is not there I admit that.
Pyrolight said: Of course this assumes the folks flagging are new users as opposed to people who have been around awhile.
I can assure you that most of the flags are from the veteran users. Less than 10% of the flags seem to be completely inappropriate and there are generally few abusers.
And I can assure you that Deelles is talking out of his ass because he can't even see who's flagging and flag identities haven't been accessible long enough to even gauge this.
You don't need to see the username. Some patterns are easily noticed. You just need to go over the forum, read that Log or another user is actively cleaning up such or such post and compare most flag reasons as well as the targeted pictures and the rest is guesswork, though it works pretty well.
Patterns could also be observed from the significant period of time where flaggers were visible to all. During the earlier days of the public flag system, most users flagged properly and the few that abused it, such as the user Yavie who kept repeatedly flagging an image until he got himself blocked, were taken care of with warnings and blocks. This was business as usual until flagger identities were erroneously hidden to even the mod team, and even then retarded flags did not surface that much until just recently, which spurred the second identity change which ideally should take care of any further misuse. Besides that, stupid flags like "Gay" or "No. Just no.", whoever may have made them, are still far outnumbered by the usual quality check and bad art flags.
It makes no sense to gut the system for entire groups of people because a couple of people got their hands on it during a time period when the necessary security against abuse was MIA.
It also makes no sense to gut the system because new people don't know how things work, when the proper action there is simply to inform them of matters. You don't see the Add translation function or the Forum being made off-limits to entire ranks because some newbie sticks in a note saying "Cool" or makes a casual chit-chat topic like we see here on occasion.
There are no problemas at all with the system right now.
I trust the janitors and mods, knowing they do their work. And a good work they do.
What bugs me is flaging pics without pointin the actual flaws. Even when they say "flaging so the mods can re-evaluate the quality in this pic", it feels kind of half-assed. If the use can see the problem, why not specify? It might make it easier for the mods and janitors to see what the complaint is about, instead of trying to find out what the problem was.
So, my real complaint is that somple and generic reasons for flaggin feel hollow, and sometimes fake.
