Bridget - Guilty Gear Strive

yototata1 said:

Yeah so, as I thought you don't look like a bad person, so yeah, I understand that this all looks like drama, but if you are interested in why this is not, here are some articles.
And I KNOW, I am tiresome with all my "studies here, studies there". But this is one of the only tool we have to understand reality in the best way possible. Alone we cannot understand sh*t.

Here are some interesting things that might interest you and explain why this is important, not only to me, but a lot of people around the world :
- https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-22198-001
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X22005122
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376871620303884

-Some non gender related thing, because trying to be inclusive yknow https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstream/handle/10919/83064/DiscriminationBiasCampus.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

And it goes, way, way deeper than that. One example would be to look at what people say, there are literally people saying "Biology says there is only male and female !" which is wrong and used by transphobes, and they will be perfectly fine on this site ! And yes I find it outrageous. That's why I'm here. (Also I am in Computer Science, so talking about how hard it is to change tags to me is not really it xd, gimme some time and I code this for you lol)

Anyway, I wish you the best, and no joking (idk why people think I'm sarcastic when I'm not lol)

Yet you have no issue bullying non-Trans GNC people.
Your hypocrisy is truly bottomless.

avidd said:

Bridget actively didn't want to be a girl in previous games. The writing is backwards and bad.
https://twitter.com/liddle_lefty/status/1576008550379585538/

Japanese community didn't see a "coming out" story in the arcade mode, due to the very localized writing. One ending where an otoko no ko claims to be a girl wasn't enough for the VAST majority of Japan. This is made evident by Bridget trending #1 for two days in Japan after the dev backyard, due to their shock and disappointment.

By all accounts, it isn't explicitly shown in the story that Bridget has officially transitioned. An official announcement about "identifying as a woman" is the same thing as an official announcement that Hermione was black: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/678888094339366914?lang=en

Should we retag all of the Hermione art as "dark_skin"?

The whole point of the tags is functionality. Nobody searching 1girl on their mostly porn site wants to be seeing a character with a dick. If you cave on this in any way, I promise you, it's the slipperiest slope of all time. There's going to be no end to it. You have to stand firm on this.

This! Tags are supposed to be functional, and I guarantee you 99% of people looking for 1girl are not looking for a character with a dick. If they did they would use futanari tag. Bridget should remain considered a boy in tags, especially since he was 100% a boy in the past, only the Strive Bridget if anything could be considered a girl since it's a change made only for that game.

Also tags should be based on biological gender, because if you start giving in to those people, soon you will get a bunch of them demanding to for example tag Yamato from One Piece(Obvious girl with giant boobs, who is a biological girl, listed as such by creator even and just larps as a dude) as a guy, because it's their headcanon that she is a guy(Even english OP wiki was vandalized and taken over by these to call Yamato a dude). And changes like these are just going to make all tags completely useless.

ravenmelloowo said:

What if I draw Hermione as black? Should I put a white_skin tag on because everyone else does?

Also i checked back on this forum and we're now getting the "BRIDGET HAS A DICK AND WILL NEVER BE A REAL WOMAN" shit lol. I really don't feel comfortable using this website anymore knowing the moderation seemingly wants to erase trans characters and deliberately tag them inaccurately, and when people try to say that's wrong people try to say "you just joined today". Fuck me for trying to bring this site to the 2020s and not the early 2000s lol, I can clearly see I was wrong to ever think this place could improve

I guess it's just safebooru for me now

How is acknowledging that a character literally born as a male and not having undergone ANY procedure to change his sex now "identifying" as female doesn't change the fact that he's male? Pretty much every argument here has been centered on changing accepted definitions purely because reasons. Even if they didn't like it, if Bridget took a gender change potion or whatever, the counter argument would have absolutely no legitimacy. But that didn't happen.

avidd said:

Bridget actively didn't want to be a girl in previous games. The writing is backwards and bad.
https://twitter.com/liddle_lefty/status/1576008550379585538/

That's a very biased twisting of her story. No one gaslit her, literally no one ever told her she had to be a girl, and no one ever questioned it when she corrected them. The only thing ever asked of her was to present as female in public for her own safety, something her parents felt extreme guilt over. The simple truth is that Bridget just didn't care until she realized the status quo was hurting people, her parents in particular. Proving her masculinity was a means to an end for the sake of others. She never wanted to be a man for her own happiness, and had never even considered what it was she wanted until after achieving what she had set out to do.

Also instead of using boorus like safebooru as examples what to do, shouldn't we use boorus like Gelbooru or art sites like Pixiv? The latter two also allow NSFW and are more in line with the content here

Also, while i understand why people would discuss Bridget story and their opinion on it here, it's possible to do that without linking clearly biased and inflammatory twitter accounts. Just speak your mind and be mindful of other opinions.

blindVigil said:

That's a very biased twisting of her story. No one gaslit her, literally no one ever told her she had to be a girl, and no one ever questioned it when she corrected them. The only thing ever asked of her was to present as female in public for her own safety, something her parents felt extreme guilt over. The simple truth is that Bridget just didn't care until she realized the status quo was hurting people, her parents in particular. Proving her masculinity was a means to an end for the sake of others. She never wanted to be a man for her own happiness, and had never even considered what it was she wanted until after achieving what she had set out to do.

Which is a retcon since XRD. In Bridget's original Bio, the only reason given for leaving was to "prove worth and masculinity" as a bounty hunter.

Isn't it interesting how the only trans character in the series was the one subjected to forced gender conversion therapy as a child.

avidd said:

Which is a retcon since XRD. In Bridget's original Bio, the only reason given for leaving was to "prove worth and masculinity" as a bounty hunter.

Isn't it interesting how the only trans character in the series was the one subjected to forced gender conversion therapy as a child.

To be quite honest absolutely none of this is relevant to the discussion, because it ultimately doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the story or the change - fact of the matter is that the character explicitly says "I'm a girl!" and the character's creator explicitly states she identifies as a girl and would use she/her pronouns. The question is how to handle this situation with an imageboard's tagging system, not whether the character is trans or not.

Palmorus said:

Also tags should be based on biological gender, because if you start giving in to those people, soon you will get a bunch of them demanding to for example tag Yamato from One Piece(Obvious girl with giant boobs, who is a biological girl, listed as such by creator even and just larps as a dude) as a guy, because it's their headcanon that she is a guy(Even english OP wiki was vandalized and taken over by these to call Yamato a dude). And changes like these are just going to make all tags completely useless.

Since we were discussing transgender tags anyway and this example keeps being brought up: The only posts we should tag as FTM are the ones where the artist draws FTM Yamato, like post #5497603. It's clear that that interpretation isn't the canon one.

Astolfo said:

To be quite honest absolutely none of this is relevant to the discussion, because it ultimately doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the story or the change - fact of the matter is that the character explicitly says "I'm a girl!" and the character's creator explicitly states she identifies as a girl and would use she/her pronouns. The question is how to handle this situation with an imageboard's tagging system, not whether the character is trans or not.

I don't respect forced gender conversion therapy coupled with bad writing. This is some Electric Superman stuff. The character is obviously pushed as trans, like how Superman was obviously pushed as an Electric superhero. Both were rightfully dismissed by domestic market.

avidd said:

I don't respect forced gender conversion therapy coupled with bad writing. This is some Electric Superman stuff. The character is obviously pushed as trans, like how Superman was obviously pushed as an Electric superhero. Both were rightfully dismissed by domestic market.

No one's telling you to like it. But your opinion doesn't change the fact that the character is objectively transgender.
This is exactly the reverse as the people who constantly claim Astolfo is "canonically trans" because... they saw it in a dream, I guess.

Astolfo said:

To be quite honest absolutely none of this is relevant to the discussion, because it ultimately doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the story or the change - fact of the matter is that the character explicitly says "I'm a girl!" and the character's creator explicitly states she identifies as a girl and would use she/her pronouns. The question is how to handle this situation with an imageboard's tagging system, not whether the character is trans or not.

I'm lost here. Would a Black character saying he or she was white all of a sudden and the creator saying the same thing make it true? How about vice versa?

Stop calling twitter here your su****, this is supposed to be a discussion in between site users and posters, not a battlefield for culture wars! We can't have a bad and failed tagging system, just because you want to own random internet users!

Astolfo said:

No one's telling you to like it. But your opinion doesn't change the fact that the character is objectively transgender.

And Mei from Overwatch is canonically not obese, but people really take liberties with that. Should we remove all the "obese" tags from fat-Mei art because the creator said she isn't?

feline_lump said:

Since we were discussing transgender tags anyway and this example keeps being brought up: The only posts we should tag as FTM are the ones where the artist draws FTM Yamato, like post #5497603. It's clear that that interpretation isn't the canon one.

We should have a transgender tag for this kind of situation

avidd said:

And Mei from Overwatch is canonically not obese, but people really take liberties with that. Should we remove all the "obese" tags from fat-Mei art because the creator said she isn't?

That has literally nothing to do with anything I said, but at least you're talking about tagging now rather than your opinion of a story, so there's progress.

Astolfo said:

That has literally nothing to do with anything I said, but at least you're talking about tagging now rather than your opinion of a story, so there's progress.

It's directly related, tag what you see applies there and should apply everywhere equally. And I'm more talking about domestic interpretation of a story should be heavily weighted against the creator's intent. How many lightning bolts has Superman shot since he was killed, again?

Funny that the thread was doing pretty good, talking about usefulness and better archiving, until the vote was publicized, then it turned into typical shitflinging by people who will never use this site. They just want another victory for more internet points

avidd said:

It's directly related, tag what you see applies there and should apply everywhere equally. And I'm more talking about domestic interpretation of a story should be heavily weighted against the creator's intent. How many lightning bolts has Superman shot since he was killed, again?

If twys actually applied everywhere 100% equally, we wouldn't be having this discussion because we would already have been tagging Bridget as a girl for the past 20 years.

avidd said:

Tag what you see. This shit is not hard

Bridget looks like a girl, so.. unless there's art with her penis, tag her as a girl?

avidd said:

If you draw hermione as black, but she identifies as white, what do you do then

So just like, mask off transphobic "i identify as a helicopter" shit. It doesn't even work because in the context of the given scenario she would be black and people would be misidentifying her as white. Fuck me for thinking I guess