Pointless tags: female

WTF? Why do we even have female? I can't think of a single reason why it'd be useful or desirable. Unless someone comes up with a good reason to keep it, I'll be sending it into oblivion.

Didn't we have a discussion about this and decide it was useless? It most certainly is, at any rate. If you think that there are only 117 pictures of women on Danbooru you are a bit misguided. Just search for -male.

Maybe we could do something like make the tag impossible to add, and then do something like a search-alias, so that if you type in "female" it turns into "-male".

I thought jxh2154 said that a search alias isn't possible with the current system.

Anyway, +1 for tag removal.

Yeah I guess I was a bit vague about it, but that was basically a feature request. Two even, if you include the "banned tag" idea as a separate thing.

Nuke it.

OK, mass edit job scheduled.

Was the old job of "female" for reverse-traps (which are covered by androgynous now)?

Judging from the wiki for it, it was intended for images of only female characters and has probably been intended for that for well over a year now. No idea what it might have been used for prior to that, but it was most likely being pointlessly used.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were far fewer images of mixed-gender groups than female only images.

What about pictures that are female versions of male characters? Are these just covered by the genderswap tag? That's the only possible function I could see for the female tag. (in a similar way to young being a more youthful version of a character, not just a child etc.)

That's one possible use for such a tag. It isn't what it was, though. If you want, feel free to recreate it as such; just don't forget to add the wiki entry first.

If it's just going to be used for genderswapping wouldn't it be more reasonable to have something like male-to-female or female-to-male for tags to specify what kind of genderswap it is?

I think that that would be far more useful than what we currently do

On topic about pointless tags, are "2boys" and "2girls" necessary? They seem silly to me since we're not tagging "3boys 1child 1girl 2dogs" or the like.

The 2girls tag was used to show exactly two girls that are together in the image, but not getting intimate like yuri. Nowadays, the tag is polluted, with people tagging yuri images 2girls, 2girls images yuri, and sometimes, both tags together.

Hillside_Moose said:
Nowadays, the tag is polluted, with people tagging yuri images 2girls, 2girls images yuri, and sometimes, both tags together.

Isn't that how it's supposed to be, though? If there's two girls together in a picture, then it's 2girls, regardless of the relation between the two girls. The yuri tag doesn't necessarily imply just two girls and you could use it in combination with other #girls tags to narrow the results.

Well prior to my involvement with the 2girls tag, it was intended to be used to cover images depicting 2 girls in a platonic non-yuri relationship. I won't say the current setup is better or worse than it's original setup, though I still believe a platonic tag should have been born out of the change. Oh well.

Personally I support tagging the number of female characters, up to a reasonable number at least (though my reasonable has been considered unreasonable). I guess since I support that, I have to at some level automatically support the tagging of male characters... though honestly I would have no real complaints if the #boys tags were axed. The only really important one that I could see for searching is the number of females in an image, and to a significantly lesser extent males. In general no one is going to search for a specific number of children, old folks, dogs, cats, top hats, lions, tigers, bears, flying monkeys, or the amount of change in a character's pocket, so comparing them to me seems absurd. Really outside of the number of a specific gender in an image, the importance of searching for a certain number of things plummets into the abyss. Seeing as the nearly all of the images are probably images containing female characters (and probably 99.99% female or male humans), I think it makes some sense. A much smaller percentage depict things like cats/dogs/children, and then most will likely depict one character/animal, and the number tags were never intended to cover 1 character.

Slightly related, since some of the others thought it was a stupid tag, I was wondering if we could come up with a replacement for the girls tag, more or less the intent of the tag was for images containing a large number of female characters in one image. Though I'm not sure if such a tag is worthwhile or not.

edit: Going with what EB said, the #girls tags do work well in conjunction with some of the other tags. If you search 3girls swimsuit, nearly all the images depicts 3 girls in swimsuits.

Couldn't you have simply searched -yuri then?

If you wanted it without males you could put -yuri -male, can't you?

The 2girls tag doesn't do very much for information, almost as much as the female tag.

I don't really know too much about the history of the 2girls tag, but people were in favor of keeping the tag in past discussions over it.

Might as well post the links to said discussions:
forum #9304
forum #7479
forum #5017
forum #15928

Granola said:
The 2girls tag doesn't do very much for information, almost as much as the female tag.

The #girls tags are really meant to be used in conjunction with other tags. Their value alone isn't much, but it really can strengthen searches with other tags.

#gender tags when used purely for counting are pretty pointless, or at least shouldn't be taken above 3. And no, Granola, -yuri is not the same thing. The idea was not to use it on all images of girls that aren't yuri, but all images of girls showing some level of intimacy that stops short of what would be tagged yuri. Yuri is for more sexually explicit material. But now it's just a counting tag and thus fairly useless. It'd be nice if it had a less ambiguous name so it wouldn't have been co-opted into what it is today.