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It's also nice that he can give me a negative feedback claiming I'm making him fix my crap (despite him deleting them regardless of how accurate they were.) Nice that I fix the English in like 400 notes with no feedback and because I machine translate like 10 pages I now have a negative
SaladBadger said:
having some knowledge of the language and having spent some time fiddling with google translate, I can pretty easily say that google translate translations can be wrong in occasionally very subtle ways. It can't handle slang, and while sometimes you can identify patterns where it failed to understand (男の娘 becoming "man's daughter", for example), this isn't always the case. just reviewing the text for grammar errors isn't going to create an anywhere near ideal translation
this has occasionally resulted in problems, for example, with the increasingly global vtuber community where someone smashes translate on a tweet by a japanese vtuber and the results are just completely wrong, and someone has to step in and try to resolve the resultant chaos.
Also, I'd wager that part of the reason the "bad english" isn't being dealt with is because people don't notice. There are a lot of notes on this site and some are bound to be missed.
Like I've said at least twice now, I understand the author's content and the content of the parodied series and at least SOME of what is happening from the art. It's not impossible to put the pieces together to create, at least, a very basic version of the story being told
Lobuttomize said:
The whole reason I did it was because I saw someone else do it a while ago. On top of that, it's still not easy for people to machine translate Japanese because they either need to find a program that can copy the kanji from images or manually draw all the kanji into the translation program themselves.
Did you check if that person was getting their stuff removed? Did you check here to make sure we knew about it? Did you ask them what program they use?
Given the nature of the site, you can never assume that one person doing something is permission for anyone to do it.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4283010
Hey look same guy deleting notes that I suppose he disagrees with instead of fixing it. He doesn't even change the tag to partially translated! What a hero of the site!
Veradux said:
Did you check if that person was getting their stuff removed? Did you check here to make sure we knew about it? Did you ask them what program they use?
Given the nature of the site, you can never assume that one person doing something is permission for anyone to do it.
I made sure that nowhere said that it was against the rules to machine translate. It said it was not encouraged, which generally means that it's a last resort, so, without encouragement, I spent a few hours attempting to translate something I thought would be a good doujin for everybody else that likes Warugaki because lots of his work stays untouched.
Lobuttomize said:
I made sure that nowhere said that it was against the rules to machine translate. It said it was not encouraged, which generally means that it's a last resort, so, without encouragement, I spent a few hours attempting to translate something I thought would be a good doujin for everybody else that likes Warugaki because lots of his work stays untouched.
Then I encourage you to stop, take a chill pill, and ask next time.
Veradux said:
Then I encourage you to stop, take a chill pill, and ask next time.
No, fuck that. It's retarded that I get assfucked because I was trying to help in a way that is not explicitly stated to be against the rules ANYWHERE and now nobody that doesn't spend years learning the language of a small group of islands won't get to read the doujin because it's note locked by a guy who never planned to translate it himself.
Also, the fact that approvers can do that basically makes them mods on this site so the fact that a work stating not to repost it that I flagged was re-approved by what is essentially website-staff is clearly copyright infringement. I would start to actually remove that shit before an artist actually comes after the website with a lawsuit that blows through that idyllic statement about content being the poster's and not the website's and that the website has no obligation to moderate the content posted on it. Hiding behind the fact that most artists won't actually sue and giving them the runaround of making artists that don't speak English have to try to post in the forum to have their content taken down won't always be enough
To be fair, any builder+ could do that.
Look dude, you ask for mods to step in and clarify things and when they did you argued with them about it.
Take a step back before one of those mods makes you take several steps back.
Lobuttomize said:
Also, the fact that approvers can do that basically makes them mods on this site so the fact that a work stating not to repost it that I flagged was re-approved by what is essentially website-staff is clearly copyright infringement. I would start to actually remove that shit before an artist actually comes after the website with a lawsuit that blows through that idyllic statement about content being the poster's and not the website's and that the website has no obligation to moderate the content posted on it. Hiding behind the fact that most artists won't actually sue and giving them the runaround of making artists that don't speak English have to try to post in the forum to have their content taken down won't always be enough
Thankfully, that's not how copyright works.
Veradux said:
To be fair, any builder+ could do that.
Look dude, you ask for mods to step in and clarify things and when they did you argued with them about it.
Take a step back before one of those mods makes you take several steps back.
Thankfully, that's not how copyright works.
Yes, it is. Any created work is immediately under copyright. Works are taken and reposted under the guise of not knowing whether or not the artist will actually enforce the copyright they inherently own on their created work. Both the image and commentary state that the work is not to be reposted without their permission and the artist's wiki also implies that they don't like their work being reposted. Since the image was manually approved, Danbooru is knowingly hosting and distributing--on THEIR servers--copyrighted content that the owner explicitly stated was not to be shared. DMCA prohibits the circumvention of access control which Danbooru is doing by giving access to the content against the artist's wishes
To clarify, this isn't a threat or anything. I think it's scummy that they're ignoring the artist's wishes and I'm saying it could definitely bite them legally one day if they continue so I think they should make sure they stop so they stay safe legally
Lobuttomize said:
Yes, it is. Any created work is immediately under copyright.
A common misconception. But, no, that's not how copyright work.
But that's irrelevant to why you made this thread. And the fact that you got told that you're wrong by the mods you called on and didn't like it.
Don't use machine translations. You say you have a friend that's fluent. Ask him, not google.
Lobuttomize said:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4283010
Hey look same guy deleting notes that I suppose he disagrees with instead of fixing it. He doesn't even change the tag to partially translated! What a hero of the site!
if you used the Google Translate you're so fond of you would have learned that translation in the deleted note, despite being corrected English-wise is completely inaccurate, but since the partial translation bothered me, I decided to add a new translation without using MTL. Are you happy now?
Veradux said:
A common misconception. But, no, that's not how copyright work.
But that's irrelevant to why you made this thread. And the fact that you got told that you're wrong by the mods you called on and didn't like it.
Don't use machine translations. You say you have a friend that's fluent. Ask him, not google.
When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html
I do ask my friend for help when I find something that translates in a way that doesn't fit or doesn't translate at all. He's not going to just translate whole doujins that he isn't interest in for me for free.
Also, it's not irrelevant because the point now that is the moderation of the site is trash between mods deleting correct notes, deleting mostly correct notes when they could fix them, deleting incorrect notes without properly changing the tag, not stating anywhere that machine translation is not allowed but claiming that it isn't, and flaunting copyright law.
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SaladBadger said:
if you used the Google Translate you're so fond of you would have learned that translation in the deleted note, despite being corrected English-wise is completely inaccurate, but since the partial translation bothered me, I decided to add a new translation without using MTL. Are you happy now?
My point was that he deleted it with no replacement despite being completely capable of fixing it and also didn't change the tag so it was also now incorrectly tagged because of him
Lobuttomize said:
When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html
I do ask my friend for help when I find something that translates in a way that doesn't fit or doesn't translate at all. He's not going to just translate whole doujins that he isn't interest in for me for free.
Also, it's not irrelevant because the point now that is the moderation of the site is trash between mods deleting correct notes, deleting mostly correct notes when they could fix them, deleting incorrect notes without properly changing the tag, not stating anywhere that machine translation is not allowed but claiming that it isn't, and flaunting copyright law.
Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work.
They can't bring a lawsuit against us because Danbooru is US based and they certainly don't have a registered copyright for Big Tiddy Anime Waifu Pic #296468.
In addition, fanwork is not protected. Further, anything listed as a commission or similar cannot be claimed under copyright by the artist. Works for Hire are under copyright of the person who commissioned it.
As such, a vast majority of images on the site are not protected under copyright, even with a repost notice.
Lastly, as Danbooru is non-commercial and public display, anything posted on public media (Which includes pixiv, twitter, etc.), by both American and Japanese copyright statutes, is fair game to be publically reproduced (again, which Danbooru is) for non-commercial, non-transformative use.
It would be nigh impossible for a Japanese artist to take Danbooru to court over reposting a picture of Venti's butthole or whatever.
It's irrelevant to why you made the topic and now you're trying to force it into relevance because you're mad the mods didn't demote NNescio for disagreeing with you or whatever.
He's not obligated to translate it after he deletes your notes just like I'm not obligated to fully tag an image after removing "sexy girl hot cute #bestfriends" from the tags.
Lobuttomize said:
It's also nice that he can give me a negative feedback claiming I'm making him fix my crap (despite him deleting them regardless of how accurate they were.) Nice that I fix the English in like 400 notes with no feedback and because I machine translate like 10 pages I now have a negative
You didn't get negged just for MTL-ing. That only earned you a comment.
You got a record because you ignored said comment and reverted those changes.
It is a negative record (instead of neutral) because of the... impolitic nature of your comments, made in response to well-meaning comments asking you to stop. This made it flagrant.
Veradux said:
Tangent
Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work.
They can't bring a lawsuit against us because Danbooru is US based and they certainly don't have a registered copyright for Big Tiddy Anime Waifu Pic #296468.In addition, fanwork is not protected. Further, anything listed as a commission or similar cannot be claimed under copyright by the artist. Works for Hire are under copyright of the person who commissioned it.
As such, a vast majority of images on the site are not protected under copyright, even with a repost notice.
Lastly, as Danbooru is non-commercial and public display, anything posted on public media (Which includes pixiv, twitter, etc.), by both American and Japanese copyright statutes, is fair game to be publically reproduced (again, which Danbooru is) for non-commercial, non-transformative use.
It would be nigh impossible for a Japanese artist to take Danbooru to court over reposting a picture of Venti's butthole or whatever.
It's irrelevant to why you made the topic and now you're trying to force it into relevance because you're mad the mods didn't demote NNescio for disagreeing with you or whatever.
All that means is they would have to register the copyright before suing. The specific image I flagged was a touhou character and ZUN specifically states in his copyrights that doujin materials do not require his permission and the copyright of derivative work belongs to the creators of said work
NNescio said:
You didn't get negged just for MTL-ing. That only earned you a comment.
You got a record because you ignored said comment and reverted those changes.
It is a negative record (instead of neutral) because of the... impolitic nature of your comments, made in response to well-meaning comments asking you to stop. This made it flagrant.
"DO NOT EFFIN USE MTLS." very polite and well-meaning of you. Good way to politely ask me to stop after deleting 4 hours of my work based on a non-existent rule. Note that this is the very first comment of the whole thing
Lobuttomize said:
All that means is they would have to register the copyright before suing. The specific image I flagged was a touhou character and ZUN specifically states in his copyrights that doujin materials do not require his permission and the copyright of derivative work belongs to the creators of said work
Still not a valid flag reason as per current Danbooru practices.
But if you want to discuss this, and perhaps advocate a change in our policy... make another thread.
