Explicit content vs. member accounts vs. we're not a porn site

So, it's this time of year again, in post #427268 we have people yelling at us for "not respecting" their fetishes which are a part of the pornsite danbooru supposedly is. Which prompted FeKa to propose restricting members to non-explicit posts again.

I'd like to support that, but with a modification. We want to cull idiots who come here to fap, not punish reasonable people who happen not to have a privileged account. After all, there's a lot of good explicit art, not only porn. Therefore I'd like to propose the following: member accounts cannot view explicit posts for the first month / two weeks / whatever time we deem sensible after registering. Afterwards they can access them as normal. This should deter the first category of users without unduly limiting the second. Obviously, anonymous access to explicit posts should be forbidden as well.

If we do that, there's a separate question if we want to extend that to already registered member accounts. But that's all up to discussion. The core of the idea is that we want to make casual browsing entirely unattractive for fappers, without shutting out others.

That image is terrible, but anyone who starts going on about "FUTA == GAY" needs to be smacked.

Also agreed, more or less, though I don't know how effective that will really be.

I'm trying to weigh the upsides of this against the downsides of dealing with a flood of bawwwwwwing.

...I think I'd be willing to deal with the bawwwwwwing.

We pretty much want them to be bawwwwwwing. If they are, it means it's working.

+1 for that obviously. But maybe we can just blacklist for them some tags like we do with the loli tag right now.

jxh2154 said:
I'm trying to weigh the upsides of this against the downsides of dealing with a flood of bawwwwwwing.

...I think I'd be willing to deal with the bawwwwwwing.

Thats easy, if they complain, we ban them.

FeKa said:
But maybe we can just blacklist for them some tags like we do with the loli tag right now.

That misses the point. I don't want to relieve stress on all members. I just want idiots to lose interest before they can do any damage.

Members should also not be able to comment for 1-2 weeks after registering. Maybe this will stem the flood of posts saying "I agree" or "This is nice."

The limiting explicit post viewing by TIME sounds like a great idea, much better than a blanket ban on everyone who doesn't upload 200 pictures.

Also, blocks should happen much more frequently, but for less amounts of time.

I think these two ideas will prevent both stupidity on the user's part and elitism on danbooru's part. +20

I think you're overestimating the attention span of these people, a one-month block seems far too much. Two weeks would be plenty enough to weed out those too impatient to figure out how the site actually works without making new membership seem like boot camp.

And no, I don't think putting new members through boot camp would be a good idea. A more comprehensive tutorial of... everything actually, would probably be a lot more productive. Particularily the fact that Danbooru is not mainly a porn site, which, as far as I know, exists only as implicit understanding among already existing members.

Considering that the average user isn't going to upload much (if anything) I really don't care what they do. Perhaps instead of (or in addition to) banning explicit posts from new accounts, making a "ban user from explicit posts" option, or even restricting them to safebooru. This takes care of the more "vocal" users who still just don't get it.

I don't see any problem here that isn't solved by janitors/mods just not approving the stuff they don't like.

The user in question in 葉月's post joined last year, so I don't know if these short-term limits on viewing images would change this misconception you speak of.

It would make things annoying for casual, unregistered users who aren't sticking around. Surely they aren't all like that.

Well, it wouldn't affect me either way, so I don't especially care.

Ephyon said:
And no, I don't think putting new members through boot camp would be a good idea. A more comprehensive tutorial of... everything actually, would probably be a lot more productive.

You're still new to the whole "internet" thing I see. You underestimate the stupidity of stupid people. It wouldn't do shit, because idiots would continue to skip past it and the only people who cared would be, again, the ones who don't need our attention because they're sensible to begin with. I want something that is only mildly inconveniencing for the target user profile, but unbearable for the element we want to weed out. It seems that forbidding porn is the best way to weed out people interested only in porn.

RaisingK said:
It would make things annoying for casual, unregistered users who aren't sticking around. Surely they aren't all like that.

No, but sadly HTTP doesn't include a User-Is-Dumb: header. The guy commenting might've joined a year ago, but the question is if he'd still be browsing danbooru if he couldn't see porn for the first month. I want danbooru to be booooring for people like him.

I'm not, and probably neither are you, naive enough to think that anything but complete human-approved membership is going to achieve serious change on its own. Unless you want to implement an invite-only system, you WILL be dealing with these people one way or another. Someone willing to let an account sit for two weeks will have no trouble doing the exact same thing for four, so this in the end only keeps away those who would not even sign up or stay more than a day faced with a trial process. The extended period is only an inconvenience for the people who will still be here, browsing the SFW site either way, not all of which are necessarily going to be morons, and you won't know which type of user is which until they start posting.

The second part of my post is not exclusively related to this, but more or a general issue I believe I've pointed out before: Danbooru is particularly foggy regarding where to look up policies and tutorials. You're attempting to regulate a site, not teach ancient magical Kung Fu, easily handing over a bit more information without requiring people to hunt for it themselves may, however little, reduce the amount of misunderstandings a bit more still. Clear cut, explicit rules also serve to scare off a percentage of people, particularly those resilient enough to pass the aforementioned trial time.

Ephyon said:
The second part of my post is not exclusively related to this, but more or a general issue I believe I've pointed out before: Danbooru is particularly foggy regarding where to look up policies and tutorials.

That's a very valid point. We have complained about this before, maybe it's Trac time again. The damn docs need to be fixed. They're however no substitute for what I proposed above, because it's a voluntary vs compulsory thing. Rules are a skippable boring. Celibacy period would be a non-skippable boring. Thus only the latter would have any impact on people who are not interested in the particular kind of boring we care about.

葉月 said:
I just want idiots to lose interest before they can do any damage.

I wholeheartedly agree with your stance on this situation. I think that limiting what a user can see for the first two weeks or so would definitely increase the quality of new members.

I think it's worth a shot, there isn't much to lose by at least trying. It can always be removed if it doesn't work out for whatever reason. New users won't be entirely detached from Danbooru's community, so they'll still have time to learn the ropes before being 100% immersed. A moderator could just pin a topic on the forums so we don't have a "WHY CAN'T I SEE ___" topic every day.

Ephyon said:
Danbooru is particularly foggy regarding where to look up policies and tutorials.

Yes, it is, but I don't think that this is a matter that can be handled via tutorial. As Hazuki already said, it is far too easy for members to skip over a guide to the usage of Danbooru, just like the majority of us skip over a forum's Terms of Service when we register.

That said, I do think we could afford to have a few tutorials for users who are relatively adjusted to the site, but don't know the way things work as well as veteran users or staff. It doesn't help that a lot of info pages are outdated. However, that can be saved for another discussion.

I agree.
This is nice.

Danbooru IS a hentai site. I don't see any problems here.

I'd like to support that, but with a modification. We want to cull idiots who come here to fap

Prepare to lose 90% of your viewership.

Scalar said:
Danbooru IS a hentai site. I don't see any problems here.Prepare to lose 90% of your viewership.

But the point is that the site happens to have it on it.

The site is not to exclusively gather/distribute pornography.

EDIT: You know, now that I think about it this is so obvious that this doesn't even need to be discussed.

Scalar said:
Danbooru IS a hentai site. I don't see any problems here.

No, it's a site that includes hentai. There are FAR more Safe-rated images than Explicit-rated ones. More than Explicit and Questionable combined in fact.

Scalar said:
Prepare to lose 90% of your viewership.

And nothing of value was lost.