One thing I want to discuss, in Fate/Extella, there's a Tamamo completely unrelated to the Tamamo Nine and that we know nothing about other than her being an idol. Here is her only scene. She already has some images here. What should we tag her? tamamo_(idol)_(fate)?
Also, the FGO Comic a la Carte has a scene where the Swimsuit Tamamo, Mordred, and Martha meet their original selves, as well as an entire conversation between Caster Liz and Brave Liz. I think this implies that, for FGO, different Servant = different character. The game also has Swimsuit Mordred and Swimsuit Kiyohime reacting to seeing their normal selves.
I think this gives for a stronger case for splitting Swimsuit Artoria and Santa Alter from Saber and Saber Alter. Objections? We would eventually do the same for all Swimsuit Servants and the alternate Elizabeths.
KyteM said:
And to be honest I hadn't quite realized just how fucking many there were until I listed them.
And yet, you still missed some.
Carmilla is technically Elizabeth.
Medusa has a Lancer Alter version in First Order, Armed Gorgon in Back Alley Satsuki, and Major Reiter in Koha-ACE. The later two don't have tags here yet. Capsule Servant also treats "Pegasus Rider" as its own character, but it's just Rider in casual clothes riding Bellerophon
Rin and Luvia have wrestler identities in an April Fools thing. So does Akiha from Tsukihime. These don't have tags here yet.
Irisviel has Fire Iri, Water Iri, Air Iri, and Earth Iri in FGO. I think there's also a Prisma Iri in a Prisma Illya drama CD, but it's probably just Irisviel using one of the Kaleidosticks.
Sakura has Sakurider in Fate/Extra illustrations, G-Sakura in Capsule Servant, and a Back Alley Satsuki version whose name I don't know. Sakurider has only one image here and is basically Extra Sakura cosplaying as Rider, so I don't know if we'll ever see it receiving many images.
Jeanne has Master Jeanne in Capsule Servant, and Kamikaze Magical Girl Jeanne in Back Alley Satsuki, none of which are tagged yet. Considering the precedent set by Mysterious Heroine X, we might see Kamikaze Jeanne in FGO at some point, specially since it's a costume in Fate/Extella.
Nero has Santa Saber in Fate/Extra illustrations and Idol Emperor Red Saber in Back Alley Satsuki. These aren't tagged yet but have some images here. Considering the precedent set by MHX, we might see Idol Emperor in FGO. Also, Santa Saber might make it as well as this year's Christmas Servant, since both of the previous ones were Saberfaces, and the only other Saberfaces available is Okita. Saber Santa would break the trend of the Santa Servants being Alters, though, so maybe they'll make it a variation of Devil Saber, who was retconned into Okita Alter at some point.
Capsule Servant also has Celebloomers (Illya), TOHSAKA (Basically Rin's version of EMIYA) and Little Caren.
If there are other alternate I can't remember, it's probable they are other joke characters.
KyteM said:
E: if you wanna be pedantic, her *full* full name is Jeanne d'Arc Alter Santa Lily Lancer Santa.
Because comedy. V:
In the dialogue, yes, but not in her profile, which I would say has more weight than the dialogue.
mj1234 said:
People keep adding the Saber tags to her alternates :(
Are you sure? Because when I checked, I only saw one user adding the Saber tag to posts, and I notified them of it. After that, I didn't see any new image with the Saber tag in an improper post.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but deimplicating a tag doesn't automatically remove the parent tag from post with the child tag. Maybe you are just seeing posts that haven't had the Saber tag removed yet and you didn't know it wasn't automated?
MyrMindservant said:
It doesn't matter if the game is 10 years old or 20. Spoilers have no expiration date. This has been said many times in the past.
For example, Star Wars original trilogy is more than 30 years old and this doesn't change that Darth Vader's real name is a spoiler.
There are also other examples of hiding real names of characters, even if it's a minor spoiler. See tenshi_(angel_beats!) and topic #8292 (Sword Art Online).
I understand that Fate/Grand_Order reveals True Names freely, but this only means that they are not a spoiler in F/GO. Not everyone plays it or follows it. We shouldn't ignore earlier games/novels because of this.
Except spoilers DO have expiration dates for long running franchises, or else we should tag spoilers any picture with Nanoha and Fate fighting together, Hayate transformed, or Nanoha and Fate being Vivio's mothers, because such images "spoil" Fate's heel-face turn, Hayate fighting, and Nanoha adopting Vivio.
Darth Vader's real name is NOT a spoiler, not anymore, because EVERYONE knows about it, even people who never saw any Star Wars movie.
For FGO, an interview with Nasu released before the game's release had him talking about the reason FGO was made. He wanted to have the Fate franchise reaching a wider audience. You know, like people who haven't read the novels. AND a big part of FGO is that True Names aren't secret, which he even mentioned in an early interview.
In short, he wants people who never read the novels to learn about the Servants' identities without even reading the novels. That's as close as you get to an official "it's no longer a spoiler" statement. I don't see the point in continuing this naming system when the franchise is clearly deviating from "True Name is a spoiler" territory.
Heck, FSN Assassin reveals his identity LITERALLY after showing up. It's literally pointless to claim his True Name was a spoiler even before FGO existed, and yet we tag him by his class. CCC also makes no secret of Hans's name. Also, I might be misremembering, but didn't Fate/Extella reveal Archimedes's True Name before the game came out?
MyrMindservant said:
This is something I agree with. It's also why saber_alter and saber_lily should still implicate saber.
Saber Alter and Lily are separate characters from Saber. Yeah, they might have been forms when they were released, but they became separate characters after some time. I don't exactly when it was, but I know TYPE-MOON's popularity polls have treated the three of them as separate even before FGO.
