Deletion request thread

The thing is, if you have to clear posts that aren't up to current quality standards, you have something like 1/4 of the site waiting to be flagged. Would you tackle such a huge task?

"There are worse things to flag before that" is a moot argument because it concerns a minority of undesired posts that will all be found and deleted over time.

post #409763 is not undesired but merely kind of old. Nothing ToS related, no error, no particular flaw, etc. And the site has 150k posts like that.
Deleting a few random finds in this sea of obsolete material is achieving nothing meaningful.
Unless you have something against post #409763 in particular, you're probably interested in starting a hunt at order:id_asc.

But this is how I've seen things go. If we're someday given green lights for a purge of such scale expect me to flag entire pages of artists' older works.

e: ↓aww.

Christ.

*deletes*

I'm tired of looking at that image.

Funny how most of these images were approved then reapproved by Seem..

In any case. I'll go look through some more after some rest.

hidetheunforgiven said:
Funny how most of these images were approved then reapproved by Seem..

In any case. I'll go look through some more after some rest.

Wouldn't making it so an approver can't approve twice the same image fix such issues?
I mean, the whole point of making an image go through the mod queue again is that it can be reviewed again. But chances are, if the person approved it in the first place, he'd approve it again upon seeing it in the mod queue.

While this is a good discussion involving reapprovals, I think a separate thread would be best.

Cyberia, I understand the concept of the grandfather clause, but to my knowledge it was agreed to, multiple times, that being grandfathered in will no longer protect ALL images, especially considering how Seem approved and reapproved a lot of these images.

Anelaid said:
Cyberia, I understand the concept of the grandfather clause, but to my knowledge it was agreed to, multiple times, that being grandfathered in will no longer protect ALL images...

Actually the grandfather clause was officially overturned by Albert over 2 years ago in forum #14967 .

Prior to that, policy was to not disturb old posts regardless of how off-topic or poor quallity they were, especially if they were posted prior to the introduction of the moderation queue, in order to prevent from penalizing users for things that weren't against the rules at the time.

I'm not all for deleting things willy-nilly, but basically everything in this thread has been of such low quality that there isn't much of a reasonable argument for keeping them.

I'll update the OP to further stress that the grandfather clause, or arguments that basically amount to, "It was okay at the time" aren't valid.

Reading the thread Shinjidude linked, what I understand is that the clause was revoked only to allow the deletion of posts prior to the mod queue, that never went through the approval process.

The later messages in the thread clearly state there is (or used to be) a policy forbidding the deletion of posts approved by others janitors+ (post #15084).
Whether it applies to flagging is not clear however.

Flagging low quality posts older than the mod queue seemed to be ok though (which I didn't know).

Anelaid said:
Arguments that basically amount to, "It was okay at the time" aren't valid.

Does this mean I can bring up post #2 again? I had flagged it and it was reapproved; someone posted a comment saying "images that were approved during Danbooru's earlier years have a significantly lower quality standard than what is demanded now."

jjj14 said:
Does this mean I can bring up post #2 again? I had flagged it and it was reapproved; someone posted a comment saying "images that were approved during Danbooru's earlier years have a significantly lower quality standard than what is demanded now."

You can. That point is completely invalid now.

I do think that it should be flagged and not outright deleted.

Anelaid said:
I do think that it should be flagged and not outright deleted.

That would be nice, but I don't think there's any way to flag a post that has already been flagged before.
It would be good if mods had that power.

post #2 isn't really that bad, it's pretty typical quality for rakugaki. I probably wouldn't approve it if I saw it in the queue today, but I definately wouldn't flag it either.

Cyberia-Mix said:
Reading the thread Shinjidude linked, what I understand is that the clause was revoked only to allow the deletion of posts prior to the mod queue, that never went through the approval process.

The later messages in the thread clearly state there is (or used to be) a policy forbidding the deletion of posts approved by others janitors+ (post #15084).
Whether it applies to flagging is not clear however.

I wouldn't so much say that it was ever official policy, but since the whole idea of the current approval process is "only one approver need like something to let it throught the queue", it's just good manners not to over-rule that without a pretty good reason.

If something is pretty blatantly over the line, or there are a large number of dissenters it makes sense for an approver's opinion to be overridden, but otherwise outright deleting something another person approved is just stepping on their toes.

And I completely agree with what you say. The posts I'm complaining about here aren't "blatantly over the line", they're so-so, like you said about post #2.

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post #252480
Not sure I would flag this myself but someone else did so reposting.

Shinjidude said:
post #2 isn't really that bad, it's pretty typical quality for rakugaki. I probably wouldn't approve it if I saw it in the queue today, but I definately wouldn't flag it either.

*Definitely, but otherwise I agree. I wouldn't really flag it, it's a skillful enough rakugaki.

Cyberia-Mix said:
post #252480
Not sure I would flag this myself but someone else did so reposting.

I would. It's yet another typical, poorly drawn touhou bandwagon post. -1 from me, would delete.

I don't see what being a touhou post has to do with it, honestly. Or what a "bandwagon" post is for that matter.

I'm not sure if I would support flagging or deleting it, it may be average but its not offensively bad.

I don't see how post #2 can be typical for that artist but be defend able on that merit even if it is skillful and that is okay to use that reasoning but post #252480, being a typical post for that artist also, and having that being a negative mark against it, seems a bit odd. If touhou really changes the quality of an image that much, I think something is skewed. At either rate, I don't think being typical for the artist defends #2 and I support its flagging at any rate. I don't see post #252480 as being bad enough to warrant flagging, and neither requires outright deletion.

I also don't see a reason to delete post #252480. I wouldn't have approved it, but I don't think it's bad enough for outright deletion.

Anelaid > It's about the medium, not the artist. Though I think they meant oekaki.

e: ↓face would scare most approvers already.

By the way, I'd like to get an opinion on which side of the fence posts like post #832904 fall on.

Colored well, drawn fairly well, but then you look down and... DAT LEG.

Arrei said: DAT LEG

It's not just the leg, the proportions of the lower-half of her body are completely wrong too.