post #5116542 Go ahead and tell me what's wrong with it. No generic BS, give me red lines showing me what's wrong and what should be right. It's asinine and, honestly, we should be able to see which approvers have seen the art and passed on it or called it poor quality. Not approving that in the first place is whatever, but flagging that picture is undeniably a poor choice. I'm really starting to question the ability of approvers to judge art quality and not just judge what a community likes.
post #5116549 This is VERY clearly approver brigading. 17 approvers looking at something is rare and 1/3 of those approvers deciding it's bad and marking it so is essentially unheard of. Again, go ahead and give me specifics on what's wrong with it. Hands, perspective (foreshortening), and proportions perfectly fine. None of those were explained by Veradux. Just a passing "it's bad, bro." I could easily point out approver uploaded, approver approved, or flagged and re-approved art of objectively worse quality, but this is so common that it's not supposed to be a valid point for some reason. post #4684696 wow such good art no problems here like what the fuck let's have a builder upload that high quality art and then approve it when flagged TWICE
Wow, "the art I posted is objectively good, you're all wrong, the approvers must all hate me/my fetish/gay people/straight people/touhou/non-touhou", we've never heard that complaint before. Here's a couple things to keep in mind:
a) The absence of flaws is not a reason to approve a post. Approvers only approve a post if they like the post, not if they see an absence of anatomical errors. Its perfectly normal for posts to get rejected even when their anatomy is perfect, just because all the approvers happen to think it's "meh." b) Approvers don't have some secret forum where we discuss which users we hate and will reject. We typically don't talk to each other at all about posts. There's plenty of approvers I've literally never spoken with. If there's anything beyond quality alone that is preventing these posts from getting approved, its probably your obnoxious comments. c) Quality standards are what makes Danbooru what it is. People come here for quality art. That means we have to reject a lot of posts, and people will always be pissed off about that. If you don't like that, there's plenty of sites out there without quality standards. d) "17 approvers looking at something is rare and 1/3 of those approvers deciding it's bad and marking it so is essentially unheard of." No, that's higher than usual, but definitely not unheard of. Your comments may have bumped that number up a bit. Flags and appeals also get a bit more scrutiny than normal pending posts.
Wow, "the art I posted is objectively good, you're all wrong, the approvers must all hate me/my fetish/gay people/straight people/touhou/non-touhou", we've never heard that complaint before. Here's a couple things to keep in mind:
a) The absence of flaws is not a reason to approve a post. Approvers only approve a post if they like the post, not if they see an absence anatomical errors. Its perfectly normal for posts to get rejected even when their anatomy is perfect, just because all the approvers happen to think it's "meh." b) Approvers don't have some secret forum where we discuss which users we hate and will reject. We typically don't talk to each other at all about posts. There's plenty of approvers I've literally never spoken with. If there's anything beyond quality alone that is preventing these posts from getting approved, its probably your obnoxious comments. c) Quality standards are what makes Danbooru what it is. People come here for quality art. That means we have to reject a lot of posts, and people will always be pissed off about that. If you don't like that, there's plenty of sites out there without quality standards. d) "17 approvers looking at something is rare and 1/3 of those approvers deciding it's bad and marking it so is essentially unheard of." No, that's higher than usual, but definitely not unheard of. Your comments may have bumped that number up a bit. Flags and appeals also get a bit more scrutiny than normal pending posts.
Like I said, if it was just not approved, fine, but it was FLAGGED. It was flagged as poor quality and then had an approver specifically comment that it was bad. It's an entirely different scenario than not being approved because it just wasn't something that whatever approvers happened to not like. My "-rant-" about the third post number there should disqualify your part C by itself
As much as I like touhou, I can't help but say you're being biased towards those pictures, specially post #5116549, it's worse than the first example you brought. I really can't think about anything else than what has been already said, I strongly recommend you spend some time looking here and here to develop an eye for art, I also suggest you down your tone given your history, inflammatory language won't do you any good, this may be the mildest response you get.
Edit: click on "more" on the top bar, post changes and look at the sections there, you'll understand what is approved and what is deleted, this might not be obvious, but danbooru itself has all the resources needed to everyone who wants to understand approvers standards and whatever is an accepted or bad behavior, people should be more careful and explore the site more before doing these things.
Hyozen said: it's worse than the first example you brought. I really can't think about anything else than what has been already said
NOTHING was said. Give me specifics on what's wrong. Anybody can say "perspective bad" or whatever but explaining why is what would actually prove something
Like I said, if it was just not approved, fine, but it was FLAGGED. It was flagged as poor quality and then had an approver specifically comment that it was bad. It's an entirely different scenario than not being approved because it just wasn't something that whatever approvers happened to not like
Not really, a "quality check" flag basically means: "I think the uploader/approver had a lapse in judgement, and this should go through the queue again." It's not really significantly different from the normal approval process.
Not really, a "quality check" flag basically means: "I think the uploader/approver had a lapse in judgement, and this should go through the queue again." It's not really significantly different from the normal approval process.
No, that's asinine. It's not even remotely the same. The flag window itself says to flag something if it's low quality or breaks the rules. Nobody uses it for a second opinion on something they don't think is bad. Especially not going through like 5 of them by the same artist with the same "quality check" comment. It was also flagged pretty much immediately after being approved. Might as well just remove approving from yyflandre if you trust them so little that you immediately want 5 images he JUST approved rechecked because you think they had a lapse in judgement 5 times in a row
NOTHING was said. Give me specifics on what's wrong. Anybody can say "perspective bad" or whatever but explaining why is what would actually prove something
What else there is to say than "it looks like ass", art is subjective. Get over it.
post #4684696 wow such good art no problems here like what the fuck let's have a builder upload that high quality art and then approve it when flagged TWICE
Yeah, that's pretty appalling. If someone hadn't flagged it already I would have.
Lobuttomize said: I'm really starting to question the ability of approvers to judge art quality and not just judge what a community likes.
Considering you've acted like this before on other Touhou images and translations, I'm going say that this is pot calling the kettle black. I know I get defensive about my harpies all the time, but ya gotta be able to take a step back, take a chill pill, and sort through the art without getting incensed.
So that's what I'm going to ask you do to right now. Take a step back, have a cup of tea or something, and find your objective center.
Yeah, that's pretty appalling. If someone hadn't flagged it already I would have.
Considering you've acted like this before on other Touhou images and translations, I'm going say that this is pot calling the kettle black. I know I get defensive about my harpies all the time, but ya gotta be able to take a step back, take a chill pill, and sort through the art without getting incensed.
So that's what I'm going to ask you do to right now. Take a step back, have a cup of tea or something, and find your objective center.
Maybe you should find your objective art critiquing skills instead of writing off an artist based on BS preconceptions and a slightly longer nose than usual in a style where noses are often 2/3 sides of a triangle
If you're wondering why I'm not worried about a ban or some shit, it's because there's no god damn point in contributing to a site if the people moderating the content don't know their shit and circle jerk in Discord as if they do. Even better when they then get mad at you because you responded to them talking about it where they didn't think you were seeing it
I know I wrongly appealed them right after deletion and lost my chance, I don't remember why I did this, but anyway I'd like to have an idea about why they didn't get approved at first.
post #5124169 Someone else flag this smh can't believe it got approved from my flag
Apparently bad anatomy flagging is a spite flag instead of the opposite where it's veradux defense force when he uploads a piece of garbage. A pyramid nose, misaligned mouth, 2-tone shading at a messed-up angle, a sternum 5 ribs too long, another inflatable ass like post #4684696 , and a left leg that connects to the front of the area above the groin. HIGH quality standards
Oh yeah, if you're thinking "well it's gotta be spite or else he wouldn't ask for someone else to flag it here", I did that because that's the only thing that finally worked with post #4684696
How ridiculously petty. Given your track record, it's plainly obvious to anyone that this is nothing but a spite flag; all of the "reasons" you provided are pedantic at best and incorrect at worst.
The nose (aside from not resembling a pyramid in any way) fits well with the monochromatic style of the piece, which by the way is not a valid reason to flag anything. The mouth being maybe a millimeter too far to the right is incredibly nitpicky and the ass being emphasised with some exaggeration is perfectly acceptable. As for the sternum being too long, I'd love to know how you acquired x-ray vision to see through the character's flesh to verify this. Finally, that crease along the stomach is a particularly shadowed navel, not an extension of the left leg.
If we demanded absolute anatomical perfection then we would only have a few thousand active posts. You've taken up almost an entire page of this forum topic with your incessantly childish whining; if you don't like the standards here then you are free to leave, and if you continue in this fashion you will almost certainly find the moderation team will make that decision for you.
How ridiculously petty. Given your track record, it's plainly obvious to anyone that this is nothing but a spite flag; all of the "reasons" you provided are pedantic at best and incorrect at worst.
The nose (aside from not resembling a pyramid in any way) fits well with the monochromatic style of the piece, which by the way is not a valid reason to flag anything. The mouth being maybe a millimeter too far to the right is incredibly nitpicky and the ass being emphasised with some exaggeration is perfectly acceptable. As for the sternum being too long, I'd love to know how you acquired x-ray vision to see through the character's flesh to verify this. Finally, that crease along the stomach is a particularly shadowed navel, not an extension of the left leg.
If we demanded absolute anatomical perfection then we would only have a few thousand active posts. You've taken up almost an entire page of this forum topic with your incessantly childish whining; if you don't like the standards here then you are free to leave, and if you continue in this fashion you will almost certainly find the moderation team will make that decision for you.
You know nothing about anatomy, clearly. The nose is drawn as a pyramid on the face with the sloping on the bottom and top at the same angle. The teeth are about a whole inch or more too far from the center, but I think you misunderstood what I meant in the first place. The ass isn't "emphasized," it's inflated as you can see it bulge out, not connecting with the small of the back. The sternum is supposed to end around the breasts and this anatomical feature is clearly just not understood at all by the artist as the ribs extend way, way below. You also don't understand what I meant with where the leg connects.
Edit: Woops, forgot to mention the 2-tone shading part. First, the shading is lazy and it gives her a shovel face. Second, the angle of the light that's supposed to give her a shovel face isn't consistent and completely ignores the neck.
My apologies; it seems I also forgot to spell out to you that this is the deleted upload feedback thread, not the approved flag feedback thread. Please only use this thread for its intended purpose.
My apologies; it seems I also forgot to spell out to you that this is the deleted upload feedback thread, not the approved flag feedback thread. Please only use this thread for its intended purpose.
My apologies; it seems I also forgot to spell out to you that this is the deleted upload feedback thread, not the approved flag feedback thread. Please only use this thread for its intended purpose.
I'd also like to point out that none of the feedback on my flagged upload was constructive but all of my feedback on why that harpy upload is bad is objective and constructive (the rules of the thread being that feedback MUST be constructive)
An upload that wasn't deleted. I assume at this point you must know you're getting banned as soon as a moderator sees this. Fight the petty battle while you're able, I guess.
An upload that wasn't deleted. I assume at this point you must know you're getting banned as soon as a moderator sees this. Fight the petty battle while you're able, I guess.
Sorry, point me to the other upload feedback thread then bro
