Nuke idol duo tags

The bulk update request #24533 (forum #273689) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

BUR #28632 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke love_laika_(idolmaster)
nuke asterisk_(idolmaster)
nuke dark_illuminate_(idolmaster)
nuke lazy_lazy_(idolmaster)
nuke monochrome_lily_(idolmaster)
nuke mysterious_eyes_(idolmaster)
nuke miss_fortune_(idolmaster)
nuke beat_shooter_(idolmaster)
nuke sanshi_suimei_(idolmaster)
nuke eldritch_loreteller_(idolmaster)
nuke hagoromo_komachi_(idolmaster)
nuke dimension-3_(idolmaster)
nuke velvet_rose_(idolmaster)
nuke sola-iris_(idolmaster)

I guess these are the currently remaining 2-person units in Idolmaster(idk about the men's group..).
What about units that haven't been tagged yet?

BUR #28633 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke w_(idolmaster)
nuke altessimo_(idolmaster)
nuke shinsoku_ikkon_(idolmaster)

I'll give you a hand; these are the unnecessary sideM duo unit tags.

BUR #28825 has been rejected.

ALTERNATE

Personally, I'm in favor of tags for 2-member groups. I'm probably the person who has tagged Miroir and Shhis the most. However, I made the above BUR because I couldn't refute the argument that we only need two character tags to search for a 2-member group and there are already NUKE BURs approved for three groups in this topic and I didn't understand why they should be nuked and the others shouldn't be.
Unless there's a specific reason to do so, BUR should be all-or-nothing.

But on the other hand, I think Nuking is too extreme solution: nuking a tag with too many posts is not only difficult to undo, and it's not a fundamental solution, as the tag may be added by others in the future who were not aware of the narrative.

So I think these tags should be deprecated, not nuked. There are two categories of tags that should be deprecated: those that are no longer needed because there is already one or more tags that replace them, and those that are no longer needed for some reason but are still worth preserving.
looking away falls into the former category, and the tags in this BUR fall into the latter.

If a tag is "no longer needed" then there's no point in it continuing to exist. Deprecation isn't an archival function, it exists to stop people from using tags. If we're stopping people from using a tag, it's either because it's been nuked and we don't want it getting repopulated, or we don't want the tag to continue to expand while it gets cleaned out manually.

This alternative BUR isn't an alternative at all, it's the logical follow-up to the first BUR if we want these tags to stay "dead" and we think that wouldn't happen naturally. If the tags are useful in some way, then we wouldn't nuke or deprecate them, we would just let people keep using them. If they're not good for anything but replicating a simple search, then we get rid of them.

blindVigil said:

If a tag is "no longer needed" then there's no point in it continuing to exist. Deprecation isn't an archival function, it exists to stop people from using tags.

Why is "no longer in use" used interchangeably with "no point in it continuing to exist"? We need to distinguish between value-of-use and value-of-exist.
By your logic, why do we look at history books? Why don't we just burn them all because it's in the past and it's irrelevant to us? Why do we go to museums? They're full of things that have zero value-of-use now, so why not just burn them with the books?

Even tags that are deprecated because they are misused have good reasons to exist. The various color tags are an example of this. Imagine if we just nuked the beige background tag. We won't be able to explain to someone who adds the beige tag in the future how badly we had been using it and why we shouldn't use it.

They should be nuked as well as deprecated.

AkaringoP said:

Why is "no longer in use" used interchangeably with "no point in it continuing to exist"? We need to distinguish between value-of-use and value-of-exist.
By your logic, why do we look at history books? Why don't we just burn them all because it's in the past and it's irrelevant to us? Whyh6 do we go to museums? They're full of things that have zero value-of-use now, so why not just burn them with the books?

Even tags that are deprecated because they are misused have good reasons to exist. The various color tags are an example of this. Imagine if we just nuked the beige background tag. We won't be able to explain to someone who adds the beige tag in the future how badly we had been using it and why we shouldn't use it.

There's no such thing as a tag that's "no longer in use." Every tag, even if it's never added to another post, serves a purpose. Tags exist to find art. They are not a categorization system, despite how much some users insist on using them that way. They exist for searching first, everything else second. Tags that are not useful for searching are not useful, and we get rid of them.

To even suggest that historical records have zero value is almost insulting as an argument. I'm not even going to entertain that point.

I knew a deprecated tag that hasn't been cleaned out yet would get brought up. Beige background does not exist to be an example of a bad tag. It wasn't nuked because it needs to be sorted into better tags, and BURs can't do that. If these idol tags get deprecated, that means the admins want those tags emptied. They don't just want them sitting there being useless.

I will say again. Deprecation is not an alternative to nuking. They exist for the same purpose: getting rid of useless tags.

blindVigil said:

I knew a deprecated tag that hasn't been cleaned out yet would get brought up. Beige background does not exist to be an example of a bad tag. It wasn't nuked because it needs to be sorted into better tags, and BURs can't do that.

This. Deprecation is a temporary measure while a tag is being sorted out, or something to prevent it from being repopulated again. There's no point in populating a tag just to deprecate it immediately after.

There's also no point in deprecating tags that are unlikely to be used again when empty.

The bulk update request #28632 (forum #293317) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #28633 (forum #293318) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #28825 (forum #294099) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

BUR #31736 has been rejected.

nuke saint_snow
nuke diverdiva

Putting this here for a little test. Since the issue of duo gentags got reignited in topic #28972, I'm gauging opinions here with regards to the elephant in the idol room: the two duo acts in Love Live! that were apparently missed since we tacked Idolmaster duos last time.

Honestly, I'm against this since not only are they official and with the songs/merch to back it up and forcing users to do a more tedious alternative would be against everyone's best interests, it's also counter-intuitive in archival efforts for Love Live by leaving out duos simply because of a "minimum-of-three" rule. Imagine a scenario where you got the other two groups in Nijigasaki having tags but removing DiverDiva simply because it was a good idea to break with the 3-on-3 format and go 4-3-2, which would be a bit unfair for the sake of completion.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #31736 (forum #308646) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

ArcieA said:

BUR #31736 has been rejected.

nuke saint_snow
nuke diverdiva

I forgot to vote on this, but +1

ArcieA said:

BUR #31736 has been rejected.

nuke saint_snow
nuke diverdiva

Putting this here for a little test. Since the issue of duo gentags got reignited in topic #28972, I'm gauging opinions here with regards to the elephant in the idol room: the two duo acts in Love Live! that were apparently missed since we tacked Idolmaster duos last time.

Honestly, I'm against this since not only are they official and with the songs/merch to back it up and forcing users to do a more tedious alternative would be against everyone's best interests, it's also counter-intuitive in archival efforts for Love Live by leaving out duos simply because of a "minimum-of-three" rule. Imagine a scenario where you got the other two groups in Nijigasaki having tags but removing DiverDiva simply because it was a good idea to break with the 3-on-3 format and go 4-3-2, which would be a bit unfair for the sake of completion.

I was busy irl when this BUR created. Wanna downvote this if still open, thanks God it's rejected

If you want to search for posts with character A and character B, then search for character_a character_b. We don't need these garbage tandem tags for two characters. What's next, a mario_brothers tag for Mario and Luigi? hitachiin_twins for the Ouran High School Host Club twins? Ridiculous. These are nothing more than tag bloat.

I'd say pools could maybe be warranted if people really wanted to keep track of these. Tags are bloaty though imo.

The only reason I can see to keep duo tags is that they are the only groups that currently require two tags instead of one to search for, meaning that unlike with other group sizes, regular members won't have any tags left over. However, this seems like an unintentional benefit and probably isn't enough to justify adding a bunch of tags for every duo.

I do find it odd that users I would expect to see the bigger picture are downvoting these BURs, though. Even if you think duo tags should exist, our current policy is clear. Why should saint_snow and diverdiva get special treatment?

I'm sure that BUR will be approved eventually. Admins are still able to approve BURs even after they're rejected, right?