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BUR #39614 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication kaida_haru_(1st_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(2nd_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(3rd_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(4th_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(5th_costume) -> kaida_haru
Worlds laziest woman would like to stop writing both names thanks.
Cinnamon_Toast said:
BUR #39614 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication kaida_haru_(1st_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(2nd_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(3rd_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(4th_costume) -> kaida_haru
create implication kaida_haru_(5th_costume) -> kaida_haruWorlds laziest woman would like to stop writing both names thanks.
Laziest? I don't know, but ok
AbsoluteRainbow said:
They called it "redebut" because Kaela started over. That's not it, bro. It's only called that condensed salad word because she herself is starting over. Also, I suggested "old/new default" ("original"?), not "old/new design" as it's way too generic. I preferred something clearer and way less confusing. Simple yet effective. "Redebut" may be confused as "rebut" or god forbid us, "debut" more (not new for Kaela anymore, just stop) if you say it too fast, and besides, not all will immediately understand what it really is anyways, so graphing it into Kaela's "new default" won't make sense in the long run.
See? It's condensed word salad, only rolling out the tongue for the sake of it, and so far officially, it's only used to denote the fact that Kaela is starting over. It's not a term worthy of costumes, guys.
The "redebut" should NEVER BE USED in ANY COSTUME TAGS, but rather on the costumes' RESPECTIVE WIKI. My suggestion is clearer and more effective in the long run. And of course, you're right about the frequency though: it's not like any Vtuber would "redebut"/reappear thousands of time, let alone millions - in fact, Dokibird and Kaela are rare cases! And sure, VTubers are no stranger to extra outfits, but the term "redebut" is too much of a word salad (condensed as it is) outweigh its style. The distinction between "old default"/"original default" and "new default" are the way to go - it's the most effective yet simple way to describe Kaela's "redebut" changes without being too generic.
Rodent and Hasu, if you guys still absolutely insists and wants to slap the "redebut" term on Kaela's new default outfit, then do it in HER WIKI only, not THE TAG!
UPDATE: I added the "redebut" term and slightly extended the wiki's wording to clarify the fact for you. You don't need to add "redebut" into the new costumes, and in fact, you guys better not. I would rather clear thing up than to appeal silly call-out of yours. (Yes, Rodent, you're the silly one)
Once again, you are not reading to what you are being told; Kaela herself titled the stream Redebut, also, look at Azki, she has 4 default costumes, your idea of naming Kaela's redebut outfit "new default" doesn't really work when again, Azki has, FOUR default costumes
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TheGamingRodent said:
Once again, you are not reading to what you are being told; Kaela herself titled the stream Redebut, also, look at Azki, she has 4 default costumes, your idea of naming Kaela's redebut outfit "new default" doesn't really work when again, Azki has, FOUR default costumes
Once again, you glossed over the details, Rodent. Kaela called that s**t "redebut" because SHE'S STARTING OVER. That explains why all her previous outfits got retired. As for AZKi herself, she was on her 3rd outfit overall and didn't have any other outfits UNTIL SHE TRANSFERRED. In other words, AZKi only got outfits beyond her new default after she transferred to hololive. Bad comparison, dude. (Kaela was never in Inonaka at all, so NOPE)
Oh, and Kaela first debuted only about a month before AZKi officially came to hololive, and even then it wouldn't be until 7 months later that AZKi would get a new default. And unlike AZKi, Kaela was actually starting over when she changed her default.
Ultimately, your silly suggestion won't really work AT ALL, in that you're trying to forcibly add the fact that Kaela started over into the ultimate form of the tag in question without considering its true effectiveness. I prefer something simple yet clear, which is the main driving force behind the "new default" push I have. In fact, Kaela won't be changing defaults nearly as often as AZKi ever during her time at Inonaka. Besides, "redebut" are condensed word salad and have been only used to refer to the fact that Kaela started over. Think about the details, Rodent! Think!
The bulk update request #39614 (forum #345794) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #39553 (forum #345545) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
AbsoluteRainbow said:
Once again, you glossed over the details, Rodent. Kaela called that s**t "redebut" because SHE'S STARTING OVER. That explains why all her previous outfits got retired. As for AZKi herself, she was on her 3rd outfit overall and didn't have any other outfits UNTIL SHE TRANSFERRED. In other words, AZKi only got outfits beyond her new default after she transferred to hololive. Bad comparison, dude. (Kaela was never in Inonaka at all, so NOPE)
Oh, and Kaela first debuted only about a month before AZKi officially came to hololive, and even then it wouldn't be until 7 months later that AZKi would get a new default. And unlike AZKi, Kaela was actually starting over when she changed her default.
Ultimately, your silly suggestion won't really work AT ALL, in that you're trying to forcibly add the fact that Kaela started over into the ultimate form of the tag in question without considering its true effectiveness. I prefer something simple yet clear, which is the main driving force behind the "new default" push I have. In fact, Kaela won't be changing defaults nearly as often as AZKi ever during her time at Inonaka. Besides, "redebut" are condensed word salad and have been only used to refer to the fact that Kaela started over. Think about the details, Rodent! Think!
Okay, think of it like this way; Ironmouse technically has 20+ "new defaults", all of which she herself has used over time, her current model is considered a 'redebut' even to herself and she is still using right now, so once again, using "new default" would not work especially because a lot of indies 'redebut' and get 'new defaults', using the point system and old design we have established is the only way for Kaela's new outfit to work, if anything, using the point system works even more for Kaela as Idol Corps Pochi Wanmaru gotten a new design changing her look default outfit completely, so again, we should use the point system for Kaela's case not this silly "new/old default" thing
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TheGamingRodent said:
Okay, think of it like this way; Ironmouse technically has 20+ "new defaults", all of which she herself has used over time, her current model is considered a 'redebut' even to herself and she is still using right now, so once again, using "new default" would not work especially because a lot of indies 'redebut' and get 'new defaults', using the point system and old design we have estalblished is the only way for Kaela's new outfit to work, if anything, using the point system works even more for Kaela as Idol Corp's Pochi Wanmaru gotten a new design changing her look default outfit completely, so again, we should use the point system for Kaela's case not this silly "new/old default" thing
I will point out here for everyone that the point system was something Rodent introduced in forum #264910, in case anyone has forgotten.
TheGamingRodent said:
Okay, think of it like this way; Ironmouse technically has 20+ "new defaults", all of which she herself has used over time, her current model is considered a 'redebut' even to herself and she is still using right now, so once again, using "new default" would not work especially because a lot of indies 'redebut' and get 'new defaults', using the point system and old design we have established is the only way for Kaela's new outfit to work, if anything, using the point system works even more for Kaela as Idol Corps Pochi Wanmaru gotten a new design changing her look default outfit completely, so again, we should use the point system for Kaela's case not this silly "new/old default" thing
No offense, Rodent, but at this point you're stretching it! You just forgot that Ironmouse only have two default outfits of of over 20. So no, that's wrong. It's just another bad comparison you made to discredit me (not to mention that logic would suggest asany defaults as there are outfits, maybe minus idol ones which either way doesn't matter). As for Pochi... well, we're dealing with hololive, so if you still insist on using your trusty point system (that Damian pointed out), then we would get Flare 1.0 and 2.0 at the same time simply because Flare changed her default (which gets even muddier because Flare ported her old default already)! That doesn't make sense for THE default outfit, so the point system should be reserved for the different versions of Kaela's old outfit in case of any full-blown change.
So both the "redebut" and the point system are out. The system are only meant for entirely new versions of Kaela's other old outfits, while the "redebut" is condensed word salad that merely describe the fact that Kaela really started over. Sorry, Rodent, but you're making a bunch of wrong suggestions. "Redebut" only works on wiki, whereas the point system your originally devised only works for Kaela's other old outfits that had been retired already (specifically the casual and the New Years ones as these were the only other outfits before Kaela's reset). Even worse: Ka3volution, not "Kaela reborn" or "Kaela return(s)"!
