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WRS said:
Oh, rip. Well, would've been nice if they had seen the "don't flag duplicates" right on the menu.
I'm not sure that so much applies when it's their own post that they uploaded when a better version was already uploaded. The "don't flag duplicates" clause is mostly there to stop people flagging one-upped posts. Technically that also applies to inferiors uploaded after the fact, but ideally those shouldn't be getting approved anyway and Contributors shouldn't be uploading them.
WRS said:
They can just tag it duplicate and be done with it. It doesn't need to be flagged. It really isn't that big of a deal. No one actually cares this much about duplicate uploads, whether intentional or not.
The admins care enough to tell people off for it in the past. Danbooru's storage space is not limitless, we don't need people uploading every single version of an image when the best one is already uploaded. People shouldn't upload inferior duplicates. The rule exists to prevent flagging one-upped posts, that's all. People have gotten in trouble for repeatedly uploading inferior duplicates, so people absolutely care.
Why do you think the upload page literally tells you if similar images already exist on-site? Because no one cares if we just upload the same image multiple times even if we already have the best version? A mod already said it didn't count as vandalism, so if an uploader cares enough to flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate, then they can flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate.
That doesn't correlate to pointlessly flagging duplicates though. Even if it isn't posted, it still lives in media assets, so it's still consuming space regardless. And if an accident happens, it happens - this is one small case that didn't need to be flagged at all. They aren't prolifically uploading duplicates like certain Contributors still do today and haven't gotten so much as a negative feedback or warning, evidently, because it actually doesn't matter that much. It's not vandalism because it's not a malicious flag, that's it.
You are onto absolutely nothing here.
blindVigil said:
The admins care enough to tell people off for it in the past. Danbooru's storage space is not limitless, we don't need people uploading every single version of an image when the best one is already uploaded. People shouldn't upload inferior duplicates. The rule exists to prevent flagging one-upped posts, that's all. People have gotten in trouble for repeatedly uploading inferior duplicates, so people absolutely care.
Why do you think the upload page literally tells you if similar images already exist on-site? Because no one cares if we just upload the same image multiple times even if we already have the best version? A mod already said it didn't count as vandalism, so if an uploader cares enough to flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate, then they can flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate.
This argument doesn't make sense. A flag for being a duplicate is an invalid flag, whether it's vandalism or not is separate. By the time most people figure out a post already has a superior version active they're probably on the upload page, meaning the asset has been made and the storage is already taken. I don't even know where you got that part from.
That people have gotten in trouble for uploading inferior dupes doesn't justify such a flag nor does it mean it's automatically storage-related, especially when having destined-to-be-deleted posts cluttering searches and the queue is a much more visible issue.
blindVigil said:
The admins care enough to tell people off for it in the past. Danbooru's storage space is not limitless, we don't need people uploading every single version of an image when the best one is already uploaded. People shouldn't upload inferior duplicates. The rule exists to prevent flagging one-upped posts, that's all. People have gotten in trouble for repeatedly uploading inferior duplicates, so people absolutely care.
Why do you think the upload page literally tells you if similar images already exist on-site? Because no one cares if we just upload the same image multiple times even if we already have the best version? A mod already said it didn't count as vandalism, so if an uploader cares enough to flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate, then they can flag their own post for being an inferior duplicate.
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How this trash get accepted but my Rem upload get deleted
post #8600506, post #8600568, post #8600204, post #8600531, post #8599504, post #8598056
5 of these were revenge-flagged against the concept of unres by a blue user after a meltdown in discord about some of their posts getting deleted while unres users get to bypass queue. Multiple of those flags within a minute just because they were status:active and approver:none. There's 6, so one was done by a separate person and I can't know which. 3 are from one user, seems targeted against them.
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FubukiKai said:
post #8600506, post #8600568, post #8600204, post #8600531, post #8599504, post #8598056
5 of these were revenge-flagged against the concept of unres by a blue user after a meltdown in discord about some of their posts getting deleted while unres users get to bypass queue. Multiple of those flags within a minute just because they were status:active and approver:none. There's 6, so one was done by a separate person and I can't know which. 3 are from one user, seems targeted against them.
Some of those have actual issues and they aren't all from a single uploader. Is it really vandalism? Even if said user is having a conniption fit the flags and messages provided don't scream vandalism.
zetsubousensei said:
Some of those have actual issues and they aren't all from a single uploader. Is it really vandalism? Even if said user is having a conniption fit the flags and messages provided don't scream vandalism.
If I go into someone's uploads hunting for something to flag, especially to get revenge for something, it's vandalism. I personally don't see how doing that with a set of users instead isn't. Anyone can fart out a "Low quality" reason in 2 seconds, hiding any other context or intent.
FubukiKai said:
If I go into someone's uploads hunting for something to flag it's vandalism. I personally don't see how doing that with a set of users instead isn't.
I don't think looking for something to flag is inherently a bad thing. None of those flags look unreasonable, even if they only happened because someone was mad. I agree with zetsu, the flags themselves are fine, so it doesn't feel right labeling them as vandalism.
If the only reason these flags are a problem is because someone went out of their way to find flaggable posts out of spite, then that could be considered harassment, but it's not vandalism. Especially if the posts in question look like valid flags under different circumstances, and I'm of the opinion that they do. All of those posts look like it wouldn't be unfair to make a pass through the queue, especially post #8600531.
FubukiKai said:
post #8600506, post #8600568, post #8600204, post #8600531, post #8599504, post #8598056
5 of these were revenge-flagged against the concept of unres by a blue user after a meltdown in discord about some of their posts getting deleted while unres users get to bypass queue. Multiple of those flags within a minute just because they were status:active and approver:none. There's 6, so one was done by a separate person and I can't know which. 3 are from one user, seems targeted against them.
1. I did not go through any user's uploads specifically, I simply browsed status:active approver:none. Yes, it was in response to a discussion we were having on discord, but I really believe those posts are of sub-standard quality.
2. It's nothing personal on my part, and I didn't even look who the people whose posts I was flagging were, and I was mostly arguing with Provence and I_Copy_Gex (whose name on here I don't even know).
FubukiKai said:
If I go into someone's uploads hunting for something to flag, especially to get revenge for something, it's vandalism. I personally don't see how doing that with a set of users instead isn't. Anyone can fart out a "Low quality" reason in 2 seconds, hiding any other context or intent.
3. You do have a point there, I could've written more of a reason. Frankly, I thought it was pretty self-explanatory just looking at the pictures, which is why I didn't bother. I'll keep that in mind the next time I have to flag something!
I'm sorry you felt attacked by this, but I assure you I wasn't stalking you or any of those other uploaders.
Edit: I went ahead and wrote more detailed messages for the flags.
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