Uploading posts with no tags

A minimum of tags would be good. I would say artist and copyright (with original being a copyright tag) should be on every image, so at least those 2 should be tagged before someone uploads an image. Those are also the two easiest things to tag, and you don't need to have a detailed view of the picture to know them.

This also solves the issue of people uploading images with no artist tag, even though the artist tag exists. I think this will improve upload quality in general (since brainless zombie mass-uploaders will be stymied from uploading for a part).

スラッシュ said:
I would say artist and copyright (with original being a copyright tag) should be on every image, so at least those 2 should be tagged before someone uploads an image.

Preventing uploads with no artist tag is just not a good idea at all. Knowledge of the artist should not be a requirement for Danbooru, many great images here still don't have an artist tag. Even from pixiv, sometimes the uploader can't figure out how to romanize the name of the artist. Preventing an upload in that case until the artist tag has been created by someone else is really silly.

Also, requiring a character or series tag is not a good idea either. Too often you don't know the character, but aren't sure that it's an original character either.

While I agree that these tag types are very important and should be on every post if possible, making them mandatory is not a viable solution.

If that's not a viable solution, then there isn't one. End of thread.

piespy said:
Preventing uploads with no artist tag is just not a good idea at all. Knowledge of the artist should not be a requirement for Danbooru, many great images here still don't have an artist tag. Even from pixiv, sometimes the uploader can't figure out how to romanize the name of the artist. Preventing an upload in that case until the artist tag has been created by someone else is really silly.

I did run into that problem. I can't read kanji, I could only memorize how some does look like (like Touhou). Hiragana are easy BUT katakana are a pain in the ass. So either I should leave the picture with a artist_request tag, or make up the pixiv tag like "pixiv#nnnn"?

But when the artist is well-known, what's so hard about clicking on find artist or typing the artist's name before clicking "upload"?

Also, requiring a character or series tag is not a good idea either. Too often you don't know the character, but aren't sure that it's an original character either.

It would not be not much a problem until you look, for example, at Touhou and see spree uploaders not even bothering to type at least one character name. Going by the sheer volume they upload, you could assume that they at least knows most of the characters and make the effort to type at least one name. But often, they choose not to.

While I agree that these tag types are very important and should be on every post if possible, making them mandatory is not a viable solution.

I don't have a solution either, other than suggesting the usual suspects to have at least some manners and common courtesy.

Yes, my view on this is if we don't make this a rule, we make it (or keep it, as the case may be) as a policy. Just something that good uploaders adhere to, but bad uploaders don't, and we reserve the right to harass people about it if they continually misbehave in this way. But since we can't really answer the question of "how much is enough", we will always be stuck with it being a sort of vague thing.

albert said: Maybe we need a system that changes the uploader to whoever adds a minimal set of tags.

I wouldn't like this only because I might be adding tags to a mediocre image I wouldn't necessarily want my name on. Heck I've added tags to deleted 'tagme' posts.

Also, how long does adding tags take? Back when I used to upload a lot, with danbooruup it was between 3 and 30 seconds unless I had to do some research.

Herrmobel said:
I did run into that problem. I can't read kanji, I could only memorize how some does look like (like Touhou). Hiragana are easy BUT katakana are a pain in the ass. So either I should leave the picture with a artist_request tag, or make up the pixiv tag like "pixiv#nnnn"?

Aw hell no, we've been trying to get away from pixiv#nnnnn qualifiers for so long that you're likely to get a mod bitchslap if you try (more so since you're a Contributor and should know better).

The artist_request tag is a temporary placeholder, not a solution. There's howto:artist and the more specific howto:pixiv to help you in creating a tag, and there's also the stickied artist tagging help thread if you need more help than that. Simply neglecting to tag the artist is not an option.

Preventing uploads with no artist tag is just not a good idea at all. Knowledge of the artist should not be a requirement for Danbooru, many great images here still don't have an artist tag.

Just coming back to this now. There's a really great rule on Danbooru and it's something like: "Past images do not define current policy." This is a good example of it. I'm not saying your argument is invalid, but your reasoning is. Additionally:

Hillside_Moose said:
Simply neglecting to tag the artist is not an option.

+1, I cannot possibly stress this enough.

スラッシュ said: Just coming back to this now. There's a really great rule on Danbooru and it's something like: "Past images do not define current policy." This is a good example of it. I'm not saying your argument is invalid, but your reasoning is.

The provenance of the image plays a big role. If it's from pixiv or an artist's blog, then there really is little excuse not to tag, or at least to ask for help.

But there are other things, such as magazine scane, artbooks, cg, etc that are a lot harder to source. So before we talk about making an artist required, we should specify in what circumstances.

We can't require an artist tag, because sometimes we just don't know the artist, for various reasons.

It is highly encouraged that people tag the artist, and if someone is consistently uploading from Pixiv and not tagging the artist, then they need a firm talking to, but absolutely requiring an artist tag is not a viable solution.

maybe we could come up with a tag that excludes all tags except for tagme, then it'd be easy to find images that are only tagged with tagme.

Or come up with tags that define posts that only have so many tags. for example if we called it tags:5 the same way we use score:5, then it'd find posts only have 5 tags

I don't know anything about coding, so I don't know if that's possible, but if it's not then could we have a tags:n that automatically updates itself by adding up the number of tags a post has

It's also a little bit of a problem when we come up with new tags, we tag new posts, but no one bothers to go back and tag the older ones. Maybe if we could be allowed to use more tags for making it easier to go back to older posts. In Pokemon for example, we have this no_humans tag that has pictures with only pokemon in them. It was added recently, so almost all of the older posts didn't have it, I went back and added it to the ones that needed it. I searched pokemon and excluded the most commonly appearing human characters to minimize the number of posts I had to go through, it would've been nice to have been able to exclude one or two more humans. Also that reminds me that I also added the nyoibo tag (for son_goku's staff), that one has been taken care of also. BUT the thing is that that tag had been forgotten, I only noticed after posting a picture with the staff in it. I think someone else might've noticed that it was missing, and maybe they knew it had a name, but didn't remember it was nyoibo, so they didn't do anything and/or felt it'd be innapropiate to post in the forums "just" for that (since a lot of member don't know it they can).

We could have a thread listing all the tags that need to be added to older posts, etc. Where people can report a tags that need to be taken care of. Then whoever wants to can just go back and add them.

Roarchu said:
maybe we could come up with a tag that excludes all tags except for tagme, then it'd be easy to find images that are only tagged with tagme.

Or come up with tags that define posts that only have so many tags. for example if we called it tags:5 the same way we use score:5, then it'd find posts only have 5 tags

That's such a good idea it's already been done. tagme arttags:0 copytags:0 chartags:0 gentags:1 seems like it should find all tagme-only posts. (Which reminds me: do we have any need for solo anymore, since the advent of the tag count metatags?)

Just because there's only one character tagtyped tag on an image doesn't necessarily mean they're solo. Also probably 95% of original has no character tag.

One character cosplaying another is also solo with two tags.

glasnost said:
That's such a good idea it's already been done. tagme arttags:0 copytags:0 chartags:0 gentags:1 seems like it should find all tagme-only posts. (Which reminds me: do we have any need for solo anymore, since the advent of the tag count metatags?)

whoops, i need to pay more attention

BTW how do you make an alias tag?

You make a thread on the forum asking for the alias, and if it is agreed to be a good idea, albert or jxh will implement it.

glasnost said: (Which reminds me: do we have any need for solo anymore, since the advent of the tag count metatags?)

solo chartags:2..

Herrmobel said:
PS: I am not even the best example for thorough tagging, you look at Mysterio for that.

I appreciate the recognition, Herrmobel.

I don't have anything to add to the conversation, but I'll recount my personal experience. I did for a while go with tagme as the only tag until I add more. But I thought about it, and I figured that it's not as if I'm the one who created the artwork, so why should I care who uploads it? It'll be here just the same, whoever uploads it. So I take my time now (I still get urges to rush the popular artists here and there, but I don't really bother with those now since I figure someone else will upload it by the time I see it).

I have not uploaded much but I generally upload the image with the artist (when possible) and the series it is from. Once it is uploaded I add the rest of the tags.

The main reason for this is that it seems easier to do it in one place then trying to hop back and forth between the Pixiv page and the upload page.

I don't leave the images sit with "tagme" I fill in the tags right after I upload them unless someone way faster at tagging adds them first.

On the topic of "artist_request" I have bumped into a few new artists already and the last one was easier to add a tag for since their name was in English. When using the artist request thread in the forum what should we use as a placeholder on the image? Best translation? The Kanji? Artist_request + Kanji?

Pyrolight said:
When using the artist request thread in the forum what should we use as a placeholder on the image? Best translation? The Kanji? Artist_request + Kanji?

Kanji or kana tags are pretty much a no-no, although there is うおォン. If you must make a placeholder tag, use an unambigous part of the URL or run the name through this with the "Proper names" option on.

Pyrolight said:
When using the artist request thread in the forum what should we use as a placeholder on the image? Best translation? The Kanji? Artist_request + Kanji?

I'd say just leave it with no artist tag till we figure it out.