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Shinjidude said:
If anything make comment moderation for priv+ (probably a good idea). We can't take away every feature the regular members have, unless we are planning on closing to the public again.
This lead to the deletion of like 500 comments in one day when this was temporarily implemented before the comment vote system was put into place.
e: unless you mean a different version of moderation in which case disregard!
Shinjidude said: Regular members have valuable questions and commentary too. We just need a good way to winnow them from the chaff, and hopefully eventually teach them that posting garbage has repercussions.
Yes, that.
While making comments only available for priv+ members would probably significantly reduce the cruft, I don't think we'd want to narrow the scope down that much. I've seen quite a few worthwhile comments created by regular members, so I wouldn't want to see that privilege stripped from them. The whole point of comments, IMO, is to get the opinions from as wide of a spectrum as possible - even if it may pose some problems.
And besides, if it was restricted to priv+, then people would have even less of an incentive to make an account. Feel free to also imagine that this sentence contains some kind of a preemptive comment to anyone who's going to tell me "Danbooru's goal is not to attract as many people as possible".
Granola said:
That's even more retarded.Make comments for priv+.
I was talking about the voting system that affects comments and picture (i.e the positive and negative score of an image) and not the actual ability to comment on something. I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to comment on any picture, though I do wish the ability to disable comments on post would be nice. Would surely be useful on certain images.
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No way. Image voting has been one of my favorite pleasures ever since I became privileged and is another inducement for users to upgrade their accounts.
Restricting comments to privileged is a bad idea. As already mentioned, many member level users have informative comments, whether it be a link to something relevant to the image, artist's commentary, or just an opinion of the image. Also, comments such as "Translation added" or "I tagged this for you guys" helps member level users catch a moderators attention so they can at least take note of their performance.
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Log said:
This lead to the deletion of like 500 comments in one day when this was temporarily implemented before the comment vote system was put into place.e: unless you mean a different version of moderation in which case disregard!
I mean only to say that taking any sort of moderation (such as the current voting system) away from regular members is very much preferable to taking commenting itself away. Allowing anyone priv+ to delete anyone's comment is a very bad idea.
richie said: +1
In this conext, saying something like "+1" doesn't really add anything to the conversation. Can you at least elaborate on why you agree?
I mean, we can all go-around saying something is "a terrible idea" and that we all agree on something, but specific input is much more valuable.
While I agree that the constant voting down of certain uploads (namely, EVERY SINGLE THING I UPLOAD EVER, REGARDLESS OF QUALITY) is incredibly annoying, and makes me feel like I shouldn't even bother uploading, I do not think this issue is something that can be resolved or moderated in any way.
It's simply the plight of us all to have people vote down every single picture that shows up new.
The only thing we can do is have the moderators disregard the voting score when deciding what pictures to approve.
AndarielHalo said: The only thing we can do is have the moderators disregard the voting score when deciding what pictures to approve.
To my understanding, that's what we already do.
When making a judgmental call for approving a post, I disregard the post's rating or favorite count completely, and try my best to only judge it based on its quality and whether I personally like it or not. For reasons outlined in the past, judging by a post's rating or fav count is, to say the least, fallable.
jjj14 said:
edit: oh wait, Granola is actually suggesting that we limit commenting to privs. That's a horrible idea.
Let me tell you why I think this is a great idea.
Most members who comment add absolutely nothing of value. By "of value" I mean things like translation notes, commentary of the picture/site, or anything funny. I realize that not everyone's comments are witty, insightful, or necessary, but most of the comments that everyone complains about are an absolute eyesore.
Limiting the number of comments will also make it easier to police comments because the commenters should "know better" than to make shitty comments.
Let me hear what you have to say.
My first impression was that limiting comments to priv+ members would be bad. Giving it more thought though I'm not so sure. I've seen bad comments that come from accounts that have contributed absolutely nothing (no posts, no translations, not even any tag edits); if somebody's only "contribution" is worthless comments, maybe we're better off not letting them comment.
sgcdonmai said:
And that would end up significantly punishing the Member-level users who do respect the site's guidelines and attempt to contribute where and when they can.Absolutely unacceptable.
What do member level users contribute, in general? If a member level user contributes to the site, they get a promotion, which solves the problem of not having enough rights.
Member level users already get a whole ton of shit that is normally unavailable to users of a free service. They have the ability to make an account, favorite a picture, search up to 2 tags, and suck bandwidth.
What is so "unacceptable" about "robbing" member level users of the right to comment? Magus makes a good point that there are plenty of people who do nothing but favorite things and make shitty comments; does this help anyone?
Granola said:
What do member level users contribute, in general? If a member level user contributes to the site, they get a promotion, which solves the problem of not having enough rights.
They can't bloody well contribute if you take away their means of doing so, now can they? Many current translators have started out as members and gotten promoted, and in the process they usually post perfectly good comments to ask questions and discuss translations. I'll wager they're equally useful for other contributing activities.
Horrible idea.
I actually think the current system was an improvement. From what I've seen, even though a lot of fluff remains, the worst comments do tend to get modded down. It's far from perfect, especially in that valid comments do get modded down, but it was a worthwhile experiment. It may be fixable.
Look, people are generally stupid. For every 10 bright people in the world there are 10000 retards. Quieting the first few people loses us a little bit of healthy contribution from those users who are looking to help out. Quieting the others would be a disaster.
Take away their voice in the comments section and they'll look for other means to be heard, and as far as I can tell, the alternatives are all a lot worse than a couple of asinine comments.
The last two free services that are given to normal members are: favourites section (many people don't use it anyway) and comments.
So if you remove comments for members, you could easily remove normal member status at all.
Don't ask me though, from where you'd like to recruit new contributors, translators, tag gardeners etc.
I'm against taking away comments. If people want to say something, they'll make themselves be heard (like using notes or using the edit tag field). I think we should consider that even the occasional good and helpful comment should be valued and not lumped in with all the stupid comments. I find that especially true with some posts tagged name characters or posts that are in pool #876. The Privillaged+ userbase does not have all the answers or they can't be bothered to answer them. I believe we'd be cutting off a limb (or at least part of one) by taking away comments from members.
