Uhh, Soljashy, out of all the possible things there are to discuss here, you nit-pick on something like that? Let's try to focus on what actually matters.
And I'm also not too sure what you meant by that, either.
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One thing that comes to mind to me is the semantic meaning ascribed currently to "vote up" and "vote down". Users don't read documentation. Not for their VCR, not for their OS, not for Danbooru. That is just an unfortunate fact. (We probably have a better attach rate here than pretty much anywhere for our guidelines.)
Think it would it change anything to make it "relevant" and "irrelevant" or similar?
Bapabooiee said:
Uhh, Soljashy, out of all the possible things there are to discuss here, you nit-pick on something like that? Let's try to focus on what actually matters.
That's what I get for defending my community.
All right, then, +1 to everything ่ๆ said in this thread. I still have confidence in comment moderation, provided the proper tools are made available.
This is the kind of thing that annoys me.
I'm for getting rid of comment voting altogether. It's not achieving anything.
Soljashy said:
This is the kind of thing that annoys me.I'm for getting rid of comment voting altogether. It's not achieving anything.
Er, that was me. I voted them down because they aren't relevant to the picture; nananonina misunderstood you and you corrected him. What's more, the discussion was finished, and you had already answered the one question that was relevant to the picture. In my opinion, that exchange wasn't something that everyone who looked at the picture would be interested in. Was I wrong?
If he cares to follow up on the discussion, he'll notice that his comment is missing and click the "View comments below threshold". More pressingly, I really don't think the conversation is really of interest to people viewing comments. If it had been me, I would have replied to nananonina, then voted down both comments. (And, possibly, deleted the "This." comment and replaced it with "Yes." to remove any ambiguity.)
Edit:
Shinjidude said:
Downvoting implies a comment is "bad" in some way. These clearly aren't.
Does it have to? I haven't really kept up with this thread, but I agree with the suggestion to change "Vote up/Vote down" to "Relevant/Irrelevant". For the record, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the comments themselves; it's just that they bear very little relevance to the image.
Maybe so. I still would have handled it by replacing the ambiguous "This" with a "Yes", but I probably shouldn't have voted down those two posts. It was somewhat of a snap decision based what I (probably incorrectly) perceived as veiled sarcasm in you two's "very important" exchange.
Soljashy said:
Also, I resent the notion that my number of note edits should have any bearing on my knowledge of the Japanese language. :\
I don't know why you voted this back up, though. If you want to talk about nananonina's (admittedly misguided) views on quantity vs. quality, PMs strike me as a better venue.
Soljashy said:
As for the other post, do you communicate everything you want to say to other users in PM? It was part of the conversation, man.
Okay, okay. Just saying that that one post, at least, isn't at all relevant to the image.
Cyberia-Mix said:
Imho this sends bad signals to people who don't understand the real use of the voting feature.
I don't follow. That is the way the system's meant to be used, right? How can using a system as it was intended send the wrong message?
glasnost said:
That is the way the system's meant to be used, right?
I certainly don't think so. Go back and read howto:comment again. That's the sort of crap we're trying to drain out.
glasnost said:
I don't follow. That is the way the system's meant to be used, right? How can using a system as it was intended send the wrong message?
In this particular case, I don't really know honestly. But down voting the pointless spam is the priority in any case.
People who see this might think it's okay to down vote translators babbling and other boring walls of text (no offense, I do read that kind of stuff). I think it's somewhat dangerous, as it can give crossed signals about the real bad comments, resulting in people down voting stuff they don't like in place of them.
Point(s) taken. I'll be more careful in the future.
To get back on track, regardless of whatever improvements are made to the voting scheme, I would favor a "Hide this comment" button like sgcdonmai suggested as a supplement to them. There are occasions like Cyberia-Mix mentioned where I want to hide comments for myself, but not for everyone.
Soljashy said:
I'm for getting rid of comment voting altogether. It's not achieving anything.
With current voting system - you're absolulety correct.
In this particular case, the problem is not if you're right or if glasnost was right downvoting you.
The real problem is that actions of both of you couldn't be verified by other users by voting system. One downvote here means usually the same as downvoting 10 or 100 times. Because result is the same: downvoted comment goes below zero and thus is hidden, and what's hidden is not read by most users and what is not read is not voted anymore. In other words, all downvoters have demi-moderator powers here.
Remedy: force lower limit (-3 at least) when comments are still visible (one downvote of one user won't change anything) and make the comments vote visible, and visible everytime (so even when something is downvoted and hidden there will be still difference between -3 and -10 which can make me interested enough to unhide and read the -3 ones)
glasnost said:
I would favor a "Hide this comment" button like sgcdonmai suggested as a supplement to them. There are occasions like Cyberia-Mix mentioned where I want to hide comments for myself, but not for everyone.
I'm wondering how such a personal "Hide this comment" feature could be implemented.
Basically this would be a new "favorites" system, but with the opposite meaning, and as such, if done server-side it would require a new DB table and would probably get a lot of records from a lot of users and would need queried any time any post or the comments are viewed. This sounds like a huge amount of additional load for little gain.
Since it's meant to be used only for a given end-user, maybe making it client side would help? That would avoid the server-side load issues, but I don't know of any good systems to handle it. It would probably be way too much to handle with cookies. Also, most client-side approaches would end up being wiped if a user cleared their personal information, or moved to another terminal.
I'd probably rather see something that works well globally, than a system where people can hide things individually.
richie said:
Remedy: force lower limit (-3 at least) when comments are still visible (one downvote of one user won't change anything) and make the comments vote visible, and visible everytime (so even when something is downvoted and hidden there will be still difference between -3 and -10 which can make me interested enough to unhide and read the -3 ones)
Too much; try browsing with it at -1 right now. At that point, you really only see things that were awful below your threshold.
I also feel the need to draw attention to Slashdot's comment moderation, with all its successes and flaws.
In particular, the score starting at 1 rather than 0 is the same as above, only it assumes positive contribution by default. I think that sort of breathing space would be good for the system.
