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AI-generated art check thread

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Knowledge_Seeker said:

Honestly, I'm not even irritated by the idea of being wrong on this one. I'm irritated by the fact no one has done anything to actually prove me wrong. So if I'm wrong, just give me any reason beyond what I've observed. Simply telling me I am wrong and to "do better" (when I actually did bring up a detail I noticed besides the Zerochan thing, must I remind you) does not exactly inspire me to change my mind, you know. If you're going to make a big deal over this, you really oughta have some evidence, at least, to back yourself up. That's literally all I'm asking for here.

What proof would you accept? If we're assuming anything is AI by default and have to prove they aren't, then we're going to have to nuke millions of posts from the last couple of years, because most of them aren't proven anything.

To my eye, post #8811959 is virtually flawless in every regard. The eyes, hands, hair, lighting, background, little character details all add up coherently and consistently. I can't find a single blatant error or obvious artifact. Not only that, but it accurately depicts a relatively new character which would not be present in old training datasets; my (possibly flawed) understanding is that the highest quality AI models aren't retrained that often since it's costly to do.

Nobody said that you're wrong or to 'do better'. It is possible that this is AI generated, but you simply haven't proven that it is, which is a matter of common sense policy - things must be proven guilty rather than proven innocent or else uploading anything to this site is going to become impractical very quickly.

fubuki128 said:
To my eye, post #8811959 is virtually flawless in every regard. The eyes, hands, hair, lighting, background, little character details all add up coherently and consistently. I can't find a single blatant error or obvious artifact. Not only that, but it accurately depicts a relatively new character which would not be present in old training datasets; my (possibly flawed) understanding is that the highest quality AI models aren't retrained that often since it's costly to do.

I have no real horse in this race, but since you're bringing up how flawless this is I'll add that images like post #8737620, post #8667192, and post #8811940 have misaligned ears and fused fingers. On the other hand post #8718680 especially the hands look very human to me, so I don't know.

fubuki128 said:
...Not only that, but it accurately depicts a relatively new character which would not be present in old training datasets; my (possibly flawed) understanding is that the highest quality AI models aren't retrained that often since it's costly to do...

I also don't have a horse in the race of this particular artist being AI, but if a model is being used locally then adding a new character only takes about a few hours of work. For some time, the highest quality AI models were locked to online services and new characters could not be easily added but this is no longer true.

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Knowledge Seeker said:

I'm irritated by the fact no one has done anything to actually prove me wrong. So if I'm wrong, just give me any reason beyond what I've observed. Simply telling me I am wrong and to "do better" (when I actually did bring up a detail I noticed besides the Zerochan thing, must I remind you) does not exactly inspire me to change my mind, you know. If you're going to make a big deal over this, you really oughta have some evidence, at least, to back yourself up. That's literally all I'm asking for here.

:DunkekStare:

So what, now you're okay with just accusing random artists of using AI generation and asking others to share what should be YOUR burden of proof to fight back against that accusation when you used a slippery slope argument - and on a single post - to bring down everything they have? What the fuck? That just sounds considerably insulting. Also, the only thing you pointed out about the Zerochan posts is "they don't seem similarly rendered to me" as "proof" of them being AI generated, which is flimsy and weak - artists can't change styles?

No one is arguing that these images are flawless and shouldn't either, but when you provide what's the equivalent of nothing to claim an artist is using AI and won't even do the bare minimum to point out even a single real issue, then yes I am going to ask you to do better, as the one doing the accusing. I don't personally care if you change your mind or not because it's not up to you whether these posts stay active or not (and you certainly shouldn't be calling for reflags over false pretenses) but you should be objective in your assessment.

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I also don't have a horse in the race of this particular artist being AI, but if a model is being used locally then adding a new character only takes about a few hours of work. For some time, the highest quality AI models were locked to online services and new characters could not be easily added but this is no longer true.

Thanks for the information, that's good to know.

I have no real horse in this race, but since you're bringing up how flawless this is I'll add that images like post #8737620, post #8667192, and post #8811940 have misaligned ears and fused fingers. On the other hand post #8718680 especially the hands look very human to me, so I don't know.

Good catch. I hadn't looked closely at all of them, and while I think some of the issues could be human error, upon closer inspection of post #8667192 there's a very noticeablely inhuman mistake. The way the right arm comes out of the sleeve makes no sense at all, and the cuff is bizarrely forked. Quick MSPaint highlighting the flaw: https://i.imgur.com/ZvjzHsp.png

On the other hand, they posted a revision with this error fixed, so I'm guessing this is probably a case of AI-assisted.

fubuki128 said:
Not only that, but it accurately depicts a relatively new character which would not be present in old training datasets; my (possibly flawed) understanding is that the highest quality AI models aren't retrained that often since it's costly to do.

If they're using NAI, Citlai already had over 780 posts by the time V4 came out, meaning it can reproduce the design perfectly with minimal cleanup required. It took me fifteen seconds to prompt this image right now (don't know what artist styles they used and don't care enough to reproduce that). If they're running SD locally or through some cloud frontend that supports it, downloading/adding a LORA takes minutes. wispydreamer's comment likely referred to training a LORA from scratch, but no one is going to need to do that for a Genshin character.

As for the og question, 'artist' partially painting over AI gen to obfuscate using AI, case study no. 13902. Some images are more obvious than others, look at the box she's holding breaking continuity under her fingers in post #8749540, and compare the strokes on her left hand (which looks blurred and painted over) to those in her hair and right glove.
The Citlali post has a botched hair tube design, obvious AI background with leaves doubling as branches, and a nonsensical right braid. I think they hand painted over the floating hair accessory judging by the bold and otherwise out-of-place lineart of it, but I'm not too sure.
post #8560623 has hair merging with the bodystocking around her left shoulder.
post #8809512 - the area where her left shoulder meets hair, left ear lineart dropping off, and hat breaking continuity under the left sidetail.
I'm sure you could find more, I don't feel like wasting any more time on this. Extremely shoddy images with a dubious level of human involvement even if not technically rulebreaking.

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Missingno2024 said:

post #8831888
was tagged as AI by a gold user but they didn't really provide an explanation

Leaning towards AI assisted.

The skin tone has that trademark rubber / shine look to it. The shadow and the left ear also look a bit bizarre. Hair and eyebrow layering also look absurd.

But all their illustrations are clearly missing any huge obvious errors, so straight generated is unlikely.

Freshblink said:

The light source and shadows in this image are particularly bad.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8770564?q=masasirai

I think the light source is inconsistent, but otherwise it doesn't seem ai-generated to me. The underside of her camisole shouldn't be highlighted the way it is unless there's a light source closer to the viewer, but otherwise the screen should be the only direct light source.

Edit: I see now. The idea is that the underside of the camisole is more translucent; you can see her figure as the darker shadow underneath. I'm not sure about accuracy of anatomy, but now I understand the purpose of the light/shadow relationship. I do not believe this is ai. Also the artist has a known history of no-ai stance with commercial free-lance work.

HashBob said:

Also the artist has a known history of no-ai stance with commercial free-lance work.

What "known" history is there? Beside being mentioned in the twitter profile, which may as well be made up.
There is no evidence afaict.

The "artist" posted this timelapse: https://x.com/MasaShirrai/status/1882701840367943830
You can notice that the stomach is instantly done at 0:36.
At 0:55 the fingers on her left hand morphs, this doesn't look a natural process to me.

Another tell IMO is how all these outputs have really thick and blurry lines, they look upscaled, while having seemingly high quality shading.

post #8559250 and post #8582542 by roribitanx are tagged as ai-generated.

Earliest post on their Pixiv was posted in March 2020 and their recent art is stylistically consistent with their art posted before AI became common. (Late 2022.)

Pixiv posts have variants with an alternate background and a transparent background as well as the chibi characters on some images posted separately. Indicating that the images have layers.

They post WIPs on their Bluesky.

Several of their images feature danmaku patterns directly based on ones from the Touhou games which I severely doubt AI could recreate.

This feels like a classic case of someone tagging based solely on the art style looking “AI-ish”.

HeyThereGuy said:

post #8559250 and post #8582542 by roribitanx are tagged as ai-generated.

Earliest post on their Pixiv was posted in March 2020 and their recent art is stylistically consistent with their art posted before AI became common. (Late 2022.)

Pixiv posts have variants with an alternate background and a transparent background as well as the chibi characters on some images posted separately. Indicating that the images have layers.

They post WIPs on their Bluesky.

Several of their images feature danmaku patterns directly based on ones from the Touhou games which I severely doubt AI could recreate.

This feels like a classic case of someone tagging based solely on the art style looking “AI-ish”.

These posts have been brought up here before and tagged based not on the style but an egregious degree of AI artefacing. Marissa's broom has two sides, her hair is merging with the hat left and right, the clothing folds are non-Euclidean (just try to parse what's going on with her right sleeve). All of the artist's post-2023 works are like this. You're right that the general style resembles their 2020 upload (worth noting that if you check the "i" button next to their upload dates, most have actually been reuploaded in 2023-24, but still look human so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt) and they might be using AI to render their own compositions. But it can't be the bluesky WIPs - in the Marisa WIP, for example, all the issues are already present. You could make a case for ai-assisted, but something this messy likely isn't going to go over well in the queue.

Also the artist has a known history of no-ai stance with commercial free-lance work.

There is no history to speak of, the guy popped out of nowhere a month ago and lies out of their ass every second post they make. At first they were "fast because they used to work at a black company", then they "had experience as a lecturer in the Kyoto University of the Arts". Unfortunately, after people pointed out both backstories as not very convincing and shared by a noncoincidental amount of AI fraud accounts, they've now had to settle for plain old designer at an unspecified vtuber company.

To wit, yeah it's pretty obviously painted over AI and the timelapse introduces more questions than it answers, like the already mentioned fully rendered tummy spawning into existence, and why a purported professional illustrator would lie about Krita's timelapse feature not letting you hide layers. They've done some cleanup, but the signs are still there:
post #8769926 - window bars suddenly MIA under her hair
post #8740173 - hair lock on the right gives up on being a lock and becomes a single strand blending with the wall halfway through
post #8831888 - stomach line under the nightgown breaks under her left arm
post #8739930 - ear area, hair blends with shirt in places, blurry glowing window breaks under right arm
post #8739933 - window curtains break under head
post #8724998 - whatever the pillow shape/shadow is doing in the top left, area between her chin and shoulder

I bet those images would've been decently well received on both twitter and here if they were transparent about their AI usage, as plenty of AI-assisted accounts are, but grifters gonna grift.

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