Cataloguing Limbus/Project moon E.G.O and Identities

those all have their own names, no? for instance:

abnormality: "Four-hundred Roses"
e.g.o: "Yearning-Mircalla"
e.g.o gifts: "Carmilla", "Millacra"

posts in question would be images like post #6254907 which depict E.G.O. Gift Through the Dark Twilight but not the "Twilight" E.G.O. equipment

it's tagged [[twilight_(e.g.o.)] but others like post #7895089 aren't

considering employees can have very many gifts of various prominence i'm not sure if they *should* be tagged but it's strange

I personally would not tag the gifts, as otherwise the purpose of these tags would fall apart very very quickly.

not an identity/e.g.o, but it's still about project moon, so i figure it's better ask here than make a new topic that would get easily lost:

is there a tag for the robot forms of the sephirah (is that the spelling? the lobotomy corporation wiki uses both and i have yet to play the game for myself)? like in post #8642962 sitting on the knee of his human form

There is not, however I wouldn't be against making them.

By the way-

Should there be a tag for [LoR Spoiler-ish] Bad end Angela? Like post #8624174.
It's a decently popular design, however it cannot be searched at the moment.
Originally the designs of the characters could be easily searched by doing, for example, netzach_(project_moon) + library_of_ruina. However that is a design that appears in Ruina alongside her "main" one, so...

is that her crow-like design, or is there another design i'm not aware of (i'm only about halfway through ruina)? it appears right in the beginning of the game, so it's not necessary to spoiler it.

the artbook seems to call it a "crow suit":

Angela’s crow outfit didn’t quite suit the ambience of a library. So I
asked for several sketches in order to give her an outfit that suits the
librarian theme while still maintaining some design elements of the
crow suit. Multiple hair and clothing drafts came up, and it took a
while for us to decide on the final design

as for the robots, do they have any special name as a whole?

BUR #36048 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias peccatulum_acediae? -> peccatulum_acediae_class_2
create alias peccatulum_irae?? -> peccatulum_irae_class_3
create alias peccatulum_gulae? -> peccatulum_gulae_class_2
create alias peccatulum_pigritiae? -> peccatulum_pigritiae_class_2

We finally have proper names for them.

The bulk update request #36048 (forum #332686) has been approved by @evazion.

The bulk update request #34667 (forum #323129) has been approved by @evazion.

sinning said:

BUR #34667 has been approved by @evazion.

deprecate zwei_association_(identity)_(project_moon)
mass update ~favgroup:38911 ~(zwei_association_(identity)_(project_moon) date:<=2024-07-01) -> zwei_association_south_(identity)_(project_moon)
mass update favgroup:38912 -> zwei_association_west_(identity)_(project_moon)

while they're the same faction, its sub-groups differ in designs a lot

• south members wear regular outerwear in their pre-uptie artworks that vary from character to character, and a more modern-looking combat clothes with a blue coat in their post-uptie artworks and battle sprites,
• west members are simply knights

compare:

• post #7177219: sinclair and don quixote, south, pre-uptie
• post #7177220: sinclair, south, post-uptie
• post #8272657: sinclair, west

Cinq Association (Identity) (project moon) has South and West sections too, does it need to be split up also?

This whole Identities thing is really confusing to me. These tags are apparently basically shared outfit tags. But each one has 5-10 different characters, and none of the characters list which Identities they can use in their wikis, so it's a nightmare trying to figure out which tag to use. A character like Ishmael has like nine different identities, but none of them are listed in her wiki, so good luck figuring out which tag to use. It seems like we'd be better off with character_(outfit) chartags like most other franchises have. At the very least, each character needs to have example images of each Identity they can use in their wiki.

The bulk update request #34667 (forum #323129) has been approved by @evazion.

evazion said:

This whole Identities thing is really confusing to me. These tags are apparently basically shared outfit tags. But each one has 5-10 different characters [...]

i'm not quite opposed to the character tag approach. however, the problem with identities is that some are simply uniforms belonging to a specific group, some are, for simplicity's sake, cosplays* of more customized non-playable characters, and some can be called completely unique to the playable characters in question

• aforementioned zwei west and cinq south are definitely in the "uniform" category. it's the same outfit with minimal variation. most associations seem to belong to this category, though there are other groups as well
• zwei west sinclair
• zwei west ishmael
• zwei west npc paula
• cinq south sinclair
• cinq south outis
• cinq south don quixote
• "cosplay" identities include la manchaland or pequod. you can easily draw a comparison.
• la manchaland rodion parallels dulcinea
• pequod ishmael mirrors ahab
• sometimes an identity can be both, for instance the wiki classifies cinq west meursault as a mirror of an npc, camille
• the only instance of unique costumes i can think of is zwei south's pre-uptie casual costumes

another problem is that the identity tags are sometimes used for characters that don't have playable units with that identity, for instance post #8775929 is tagged with dieci association (identity) (project_moon), though neither of the don quixotes is shown belonging to that faction in canon. this is partially because "identity" is not only limbus company's term for "playable unit", but also in general for "a version of a character from an alternate timeline". we see some canon non-playable identities of playable characters and non-playable characters alike

Cinq Association (Identity) (project moon) has South and West sections too, does it need to be split up also?

cinq, similarly to zwei, has different outfits depending on the section, however as of right now there aren't any characters that would have identities in both sections. i'm not sure what to do about it

*more accurately to the game's lore: identities are a version of any given character pulled from a "mirror world" (alternate timeline). in that timeline, that character lives a different life from the counterpart we normally encounter. this might involve them taking the role of another character in that world

sinning said:

cinq, similarly to zwei, has different outfits depending on the section, however as of right now there aren't any characters that would have identities in both sections. i'm not sure what to do about it

I would say to follow the in-game Identity "tags" (example). When they get updated in-game, we update them too.

evazion said:

Cinq Association (Identity) (project moon) has South and West sections too, does it need to be split up also?

Eventually yes.

These tags are apparently basically shared outfit tags. But each one has 5-10 different characters, and none of the characters list which Identities they can use in their wikis, so it's a nightmare trying to figure out which tag to use.

At this point I feel like it would be faster to link to something like the wiki's list of characters' identities
However that doesn't solve the issue that sinning raised:

another problem is that the identity tags are sometimes used for characters that don't have playable units with that identity [...] this is partially because "identity" is not only limbus company's term for "playable unit", but also in general for "a version of a character from an alternate timeline". we see some canon non-playable identities of playable characters and non-playable characters alike

Taking a recent example:
Last year there was an event focusing on the Blade Lineage and Kurokumo Clan factions.
All characters got a related identity (refer to Blade Lineage (Identity) and Kurokumo Clan (Identity)), (except Heathcliff and Ishmael, leaving two vacant spots in the Kurokumo side).
However, people started speculating on what faction the characters were going to be featured in, long before their reveal. post #7123010, for instance, features Ishmael on the Blade Lineage side and Faust on the Kurokumo side, while officially it's the other way around.
And even after that, people have drawn fanmade identities (post #8045782 features Kurokumo Faust and Meursault, while their official identities would be Blade Lineage)

All of this to say that, for Project Moon, tagging has to be somewhat "freeform".
Writing down official identities in the character wiki can only help so far - they wouldn't feature the many exceptions that are fanmade identities.
Similarly, using character tags for identities would be hellish - I cannot think of a way to tag characters depicted in unofficial identities that wouldn't result in the tag count becoming bloated.
It doesn't help that some NPCs get a similar treatment (post #8727781, for instance.)

This is why the gentag Identity solution is, in my opinon, an excellent way to handle this. I'm not going to say that it's the best, I am always open to other suggestions, but using character tags for identities is a solution that ignores half of the problem.