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Zenless Zone Zero tags and implications

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blindVigil

Generally, it's preferred that named characters don't imply generic characters. Generic characters should either be limited to unnamed examples for ease of searching, or they should be turned into general tags so that all named examples can be grouped together.

Character implications are for multiple tags that belong to the same character. Bangboos are a type of creature, and Eous is a specific named one.

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blindVigil said:

Generally, it's preferred that named characters don't imply generic characters. Generic characters should either be limited to unnamed examples for ease of searching, or they should be turned into general tags so that all named examples can be grouped together.

Character implications are for multiple tags that belong to the same character. Bangboos are a type of creature, and Eous is a specific named one.

This is an old BUR that was made before there was any information on Bangboos, before there were posts with Eous and before I had a grasp on how to handle named representatives of a species/copyright-specific group of sentient beings. Bangboos are a species specific to Zenless Zone Zero and have named representatives, so thanks for bumping to remind me this exists.

For today I will be recategorising Bangboo to general and rejecting this BUR. There are other named Bangboos as well.

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lavalore said:

create alias lady sunbringer -> sunbringer (zenless zone zero)

Same character

@lavalore You must press Request alias/implication on the topbar to create a BUR, it doesn't work by writing a forum post. Also I gave the advice to create the tag as "Lady Sunbringer" without a qualifier but it's probably as valid as not calling Vike's tag "Colonel Vike" since it's a respectful way of address rather than an actual nobility title, so the direction is correct here. No need to BUR anyway; I can manually nuke the tag.

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I think it's that time of the year once more.
Do we use full name tags or shortened tags? (previously discussed on: topic #18638 and many others)
I'd prefer the latter because of various reasons, we do so for Genshin, Arknights, and other games. Plus, there are characters like Nekomiya Mana whose playable (nick)name (Nekomata) is more popular, or characters whose names are too similar to others (like billy kid)

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I think it's that time of the year once more.
Do we use full name tags or shortened tags? (previously discussed on: topic #18638 and many others)
I'd prefer the latter because of various reasons, we do so for Genshin, Arknights, and other games. Plus, there are characters like Nekomiya Mana whose playable (nick)name (Nekomata) is more popular, or characters whose names are too similar to others (like billy kid)

Genshin uses the name shown on the banners and menus. Kamisato Ayaka is what her name is everywhere in-game and in promotional materials, so that's what her tag uses. Arknights does the same, with real/full names only being found buried in profiles or random story scenes.

ZZZ uses the full name in a lot of places in-game. It's displayed when obtaining the character from the gacha, when viewing their status screen, and in most other menus.

Edit: Realized I forgot to mention, the Official Website as well as promotional materials also use their proper full names, with Lucy (zenless zone zero) and Alexandrina Sebastiane being the only exceptions in both cases, due to their names being too long, I guess. Their full names are displayed properly in-game, however, same as everyone else.

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BUR #34619 has been rejected.

create alias asaba_harumasa_bangboo -> harumasaboo
create implication harumasaboo -> asaba_harumasa
create alias hoshimi_miyabi_bangboo -> miyabiboo
create implication miyabiboo -> hoshimi_miyabi

Alternate forms. "Harumasaboo" is the only one that's actually written in game text whereas Miyabi is following convention by use of her first name. I will handle Soukaku Bangboo in a separate topic because of a proposal I want to put forward regarding her main character tag.

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I'm skeptical about editing these when they've already been voted on as the current votes for both represent the current content rather than the new ones. Might need to revote entirely. That's sort of a pain - on the topic of an inconsistent name showing for Harumasa's bangboo, and me being two letters off from (but it making sense that way) the in-game text for Miyabi and Soukaku's bangboos. I'd prefer a follow up BUR to correct the name since both the BURs include implications.

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evazion

BUR #35911 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication asaboo_(zenless_zone_zero) -> asaba_harumasa
create implication miyaboo_(zenless_zone_zero) -> hoshimi_miyabi
create implication soukaboo_(zenless_zone_zero) -> soukaku_(zenless_zone_zero)

Implications for their bangboo forms. Although I still don't understand why we want this. They look like separate characters to me, and there are multiple posts of Miyabi with her bangboo as apparently separate entities.

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evazion said:

Although I still don't understand why we want this. They look like separate characters to me, and there are multiple posts of Miyabi with her bangboo as apparently separate entities.

Mostly on the basis of implicating alternate forms. The bangboo versions of those characters are transformations rather than being distinctive characters - they're specifically meant to be the very character but transformed. All other bangboos without implications actually are separate characters and not transformed characters.

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blindVigil said:

Are we fine not qualifying the Bangboo tags? Does that not contradict your opinion here?

I'm fine either way.

Edited it to add qualifiers.

WRS said:

Mostly on the basis of implicating alternate forms. The bangboo versions of those characters are transformations rather than being distinctive characters - they're specifically meant to be the very character but transformed. All other bangboos without implications actually are separate characters and not transformed characters.

I still don't understand. In the video above you can see both Miyabi and Haramusa appearing together with their bangboos as separate entities. Harumasa also says these bangboos are recreations of the bangboos they were transformed into in VR, and given personality data similar to that of their real parents. That says to me they aren't literally the same person, they're separate things designed after the real person.

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evazion said:

I still don't understand. In the video above you can see both Miyabi and Haramusa appearing together with their bangboos as separate entities. Harumasa also says these bangboos are recreations of the bangboos they were transformed into in VR, and given personality data similar to that of their real parents. That says to me they aren't literally the same person, they're separate things designed after the real person.

https://youtu.be/JpoG-8hR0zI -> Transformation for Harumasa.
https://youtu.be/wN4jnHSZpe4?si=IoDiTnogOau6TED2&t=4452 -> Transformation for Miyabi and Soukaku.

Here they are literally transformations of the characters themselves in a simulated space and they do not appear as separate entities - this is main game content. "Trust" missions as linked before are side game content (content that is locked based on ownership of the character or just finding a video on YouTube) that are positioned after the story, yes, but both things can be true because of this. When you add the above two videos in the mix, at one point they literally are the same people, and in another case they're independent entities. If they're "transforming" into these characters in a simulated space, then they can't not be the same person. You wouldn't be able to approach this from that angle if the additional context of "recreation" was not present.

I think it all comes down to: do we adequately think that users will be searching for their bangboo forms independently (hoshimi_miyabi_bangboo -hoshimi_miyabi), their bangboo forms with no humans (hoshimi_miyabi_bangboo no_humans) or exclusively with other bangboo forms (hoshimi_miyabi_bangboo asaba_harumasa_bangboo no_humans); and then, will people sufficiently know where to find them? As in, will the average user instinctively search for the bangboo name if they want to find them as bangboos, are they going to combine a search instead which will help lead them to the chartag (e.g. hoshimi_miyabi bangboo_(zenless_zone_zero)) or will they bother to read a wiki where its mentioned?

I feel that an implication makes them easier to find, but I don't know what the statistics for implications leading to the base tag are like for situations like this - because, if we're not talking about statistics and purely context or precedent, a contradictory scenario is presented here. If we base it on their time being active, their most active/visible/surfaced screentime would be as transformations of the human. If we run off of continuity, then it would be correct and fine not to implicate them and use their latest status as independent entities.

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