Getting Rid of Male_with_breasts.

BUR #31299 has been rejected.

mass update male_with_breasts -> pool:23336
mass update male_with_breasts solo is:sfw -> 1girl -male_with_breasts -1boy -male_focus
mass update male_with_breasts solo is:nsfw -> 1girl futanari -male_with_breasts -1boy -male_focus
deprecate male_with_breasts

Male With Breasts is a disaster of a tag combining several elements of canon, porn logic, and random OCs.

A large swath of it is characters who otherwise look female and are only here because the creator determined them to be male post #6375788 post #1523082 post #2209358 post #6777881.

Some are canonically male like Namine Ritsu post #1816985 who has torpedoes for breasts but in art this is drawn indistinguishable from the real thing. Or this Gardevoir who clearly has female anatomy but because of the Mars Symbol and the OC creator's word it's being tagged as 1boy.

I propose grouping these "Male" characters under a pool I'm naming "Canonically Male!?" (pool #23336) specifically for characters who normally easily would have fallen into the other tags without a pesky bit of flavor text and otherwise leaving them in the futanari or 1girl tag. Note that this is not for traps or androgynes male characters but only ones with physically female characteristics like breasts.

>But Futa is for characters who look female with male characteristics!
A vast majority of these characters look unambiguously female minus the massive erection. I would also argue that a lot of Genderswap_mtf already contains art that takes a male characters head and slaps it on a female body to call it a day post #6106950 post #1982624 for example don't change anything about the characters besides adding breasts and a vagina, no one would argue against these being in 1girl even though the head is still the male characters.

Anyway open for suggestions. This was inspired by these posts in the "Male_with_breasts" thread
forum #284174
forum #284242

Before this BUR is approved, we need to decide how we're going to handle the cases where the male in question isn't androgynous such as post #4950722. Would we just tag them as 1boy solo breasts?

Actually, I'm not even sure if male with breasts would apply to that post regardless, assuming the breast padding tag is correct.

As much as i'm aware of the clusterfuck this tag is, like someone already pointed out in topic #27603, some tags can only be canon tags, like otoko no ko, if every Astolfo post rated G doesn't get tagged 1girl (which it shouldn't), then male with breasts should stay mostly the same and include the ones where it's still clearly pointed out that the character is male, even if it's main content should be more like post #4950722.

So even if a pool technically works, this treatment wouldn't be consistent with other canon tags. (I know it wouldn't work to keep otoko no ko as a pool and that puts some difference, but i don't this this matters here).

Blank_User said:

Before this BUR is approved, we need to decide how we're going to handle the cases where the male in question isn't androgynous such as post #4950722. Would we just tag them as 1boy solo breasts?

Actually, I'm not even sure if male with breasts would apply to that post regardless, assuming the breast padding tag is correct.

What a pity the original link seems to be dead, it for sure shouldn't have both. Kind of looks like its padded with some kind of glowing magic, but I'm not sure. We already have fringe posts of girls with beards and facial hair like post #1133465 but they are mostly parodies using pre-existing characters not OCs.
My personal opinion is that sex characteristics should overwrite all other features of a character regardless of beauty and femininity/masculinity. Bearded ladies exist, as do androgynous boys. And like I said in the second to last paragraph we already shove male-headed characters with both breasts and vaginas into 1girl and call them genderswaps when only the sex characteristics are what's actually changing.

BUR #31300 has been rejected.

mass update male_with_breasts -> pool:23336
mass update male_with_breasts solo is:nsfw -> 1girl futanari -male_with_breasts -1boy -male_focus
deprecate male_with_breasts

Thinking of this I want to do one with just removing the explicit ones en mass as an option and leaving all the sfw ones to be manually sorted.

zetsubousensei said:

And like I said in the second to last paragraph we already shove male-headed characters with both breasts and vaginas into 1girl and call them genderswaps when only the sex characteristics are what's actually changing.

Because those characters are androgynous enough to pull it off. For those characters, adding other secondary sex characteristics is all that's needed. That's not the case for the man in post #4950722. If those orbs under the robe are actually breasts, we still couldn't tag him as 1girl. Yes, bearded ladies exist, but none of them look like that. Posts like this would be completely reasonable to tag male with breasts, and the main reason I'm not defending that kind of use all that strongly is because the number of posts this would actually apply to here is extremely low, especially since they could probably be found with 1boy solo breasts or even male_focus breasts.

Blank_User said:

Because those characters are androgynous enough to pull it off. For those characters, adding other secondary sex characteristics is all that's needed. That's not the case for the man in post #4950722. If those orbs under the robe are actually breasts, we still couldn't tag him as 1girl. Yes, bearded ladies exist, but none of them look like that. Posts like this would be completely reasonable to tag male with breasts, and the main reason I'm not defending that kind of use all that strongly is because the number of posts this would actually apply to here is extremely low, especially since they could probably be found with 1boy solo breasts or even male_focus breasts.

You know what? You're right actually, I do think lumping wizard with the other characters is silly. Though that might be the only fringe case in the tag besides this weird Aphex Twins monstrosity. post #408636 which IS actually breasts and not crystal balls.

I think having those in 1boy breasts makes sense given everything, but the tag itself isn't for that since its not manly men its characters indistinguishable from women.

Given that I still would push for the BUR and I'll manually move those back if needed.

While it makes sense to tag images like post #7740624 and post #5438352 futanari if we're disregarding canon, the male_with_breasts solo is:nsfw search also hits images like post #5594060, post #2809231, post #5213333, post #1572795, post #5870105 and post #1792696.
These images feature characters that while androgynous fall further on the masculine end then the feminine one and I feel like just slapping these with "1girl futanari" would likely get contested. Also I theorize that these discussions may lead a greater look into the otoko no ko tag as it stands because if the addition of even small breasts changes a character's counter from male to female then what about other feminine biological markers like waist to hip ratio? Will post #6502817 or really everything under the Natsusora Wakana character tag need to be changed?

This pool is also going to attract a lot of Bridget warring.

wispydreamer said:

While it makes sense to tag images like post #7740624 and post #5438352 futanari if we're disregarding canon, the male_with_breasts solo is:nsfw search also hits images like post #5594060, post #2809231, post #5213333, post #1572795, post #5870105 and post #1792696.
These images feature characters that while androgynous fall further on the masculine end then the feminine one and I feel like just slapping these with "1girl futanari" would likely get contested. Also I theorize that these discussions may lead a greater look into the otoko no ko tag as it stands because if the addition of even small breasts changes a character's counter from male to female then what about other feminine biological markers like waist to hip ratio? Will post #6502817 or really everything under the Natsusora Wakana character tag need to be changed?

Most of the latter examples are just puffy chest.

Why's this tag so controversial in comparison to cuntboy and otoko no ko which essentially suffer from the same issue?. It's not like it's some unheard of rule34.xxx type tag. It's something that has its own tags on pixiv, it's relevant enough to have /d/ threads separate from futanari and it also has its own booru. Outside of the NSFW area, male characters with breasts do exist: park jinim, namine ritsu and omaneko to name a few. Albeit androgynous (with the exception of park who does look masculine) they are male.

I'm already iffy on removing it from otoko no ko posts but removing it altogether is ridiculous when it could be repurposed into actual male looking characters like the previously mentioned wizard example.

Trouble_Windows said:

Most of the latter examples are just puffy chest.

puffy chest and male_with_breasts wikis should point to each other, and be clear about their differences.

Asht said:

Why's this tag so controversial in comparison to cuntboy and otoko no ko which essentially suffer from the same issue?. It's not like it's some unheard of rule34.xxx type tag. It's something that has its own tags on pixiv, it's relevant enough to have /d/ threads separate from futanari and it also has its own booru. Outside of the NSFW area, male characters with breasts do exist: park jinim, namine ritsu and omaneko to name a few. Albeit androgynous (with the exception of park who does look masculine) they are male.

I'm already iffy on removing it from otoko no ko posts but removing it altogether is ridiculous when it could be repurposed into actual male looking characters like the previously mentioned wizard example.

I do agree that it would be valid on that wizard post. But you'd have to be very careful to define it to not continue to just be weaponized in tag wars. Also as mentioned before the tag isn't really needed to find posts like that, you could find it with 1boy solo breasts or male_focus breasts.

Also, I don't think cuntboy is comparable. Most cuntboys obviously look like men, have a flat male chest or pectorals, it's not really a "canon" tag. Meanwhile post #7345723 or post #2253926 look completely indistinguishable from women.

Asht said:

Why's this tag so controversial in comparison to cuntboy and otoko no ko which essentially suffer from the same issue?. It's not like it's some unheard of rule34.xxx type tag. It's something that has its own tags on pixiv, it's relevant enough to have /d/ threads separate from futanari and it also has its own booru. Outside of the NSFW area, male characters with breasts do exist: park jinim, namine ritsu and omaneko to name a few. Albeit androgynous (with the exception of park who does look masculine) they are male.

I'm already iffy on removing it from otoko no ko posts but removing it altogether is ridiculous when it could be repurposed into actual male looking characters like the previously mentioned wizard example.

You want to know what otokonoko with breasts (that are not just puffy chest) are called? Newhalf.

intensezero said:

You want to know what otokonoko with breasts (that are not just puffy chest) are called? Newhalf.

A name that can't be used because it is being used for vaginaless futas on Danbooru... at least as I'm writing, given topic #28612.

intensezero said:

You want to know what otokonoko with breasts (that are not just puffy chest) are called? Newhalf.

Given your edits, aren't you just another sockpuppet of user #1159989. I'm not sure why you haven't had your main account permabanned after making so many sockpuppets.

I'm less inclined to be virulently opposed to this, but I see it as indicative of a problem with the futanari tag being used for newhalf/shemale/trans characters etc. I voted "no" but this is more because it doesn't address the underlying problem. If I were to have it my way, I would:

Decouple futa from newhalf tag entirely (instead of being what essentially is newhalf implying futanari)

Tag canonical males as newhalf if necessary (e.g. Mariandale from Ixion Saga) but I'm not really active enough on the forum to feel that I can really make a well-worded BUR. I would however vote against it in this form.

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