Nuke random hyper-specific 40k weapon tags

If we had a different tag for every unique weapon, armor or piece of equipment any random character had we would never hear the end of it. Tags exist to search, and that's the only reason why they should be created. If someone wants to search for Fulgrim's sword all they need to do is look for Fulgrim, because there's less than three pages (49 posts) of the character. Having an additional tag for his sword is completely useless, it helps nobody. It's just padding.
These tags are completely pointless.

nonamethanks said:

If we had a different tag for every unique weapon, armor or piece of equipment any random character had we would never hear the end of it. Tags exist to search, and that's the only reason why they should be created. If someone wants to search for Fulgrim's sword all they need to do is look for Fulgrim, because there's less than three pages (49 posts) of the character. Having an additional tag for his sword is completely useless, it helps nobody. It's just padding.
These tags are completely pointless.

But they're not random weapons, they're character signature weapons. It would be one thing if this was an inactive fandom and/or a character with one post. But these characters are getting posted semi regularly. the thing about "but this weapon/piece of armor is only associated with one character" is that it also takes away the ability to search for a piece of iconic gear in action. The logic of " just search (character name) (weapon type)" is just going to catch every instance of the character pictured alongside someone with a sword/hammer/etc. Like the character in the foreground while some stick figure in the back has a poorly drawn sword. Something which is already inaccurate in the nuked tags and will only get more inaccurate when more art of these characters gets posted. That's not even remotely true with the Fulgrim example. Ignoring fulgrim -sword fulgrim sword includes any depiction of him with a sword pre corruption.

Even in the Fulgrim example you get things like this of someone else wielding an unrelated sword post #6043768

Mango2 said:

Even in the Fulgrim example you get things like this of someone else wielding an unrelated sword post #6043768

Which doesn't matter because fulgrim sword has less than one page of results. If you want to make an argument that these tags are needed then upload enough posts that it becomes a problem.

BUR #28373 has been rejected.

mass update favgroup:33637 -> mercy_and_forgiveness_(warhammer)
mass update favgroup:33636 -> worldbreaker_(warhammer_40k)
mass update favgroup:33635 -> storm's_teeth
mass update favgroup:33632 -> the_laer_blade
mass update favgroup:33631 -> the_auric_armor
mass update favgroup:33630 -> the_wolf_blade_(warhammer)

It would be one thing if this was an inactive fandom and/or a character with one post. But these characters are getting posted semi regularly. the thing about "but this weapon/piece of armor is only associated with one character" is that it also takes away the ability to search for a piece of iconic gear in action. The logic of " just search (character name) (weapon type)" is just going to catch every instance of the character pictured alongside someone with a sword/hammer/etc. Like the character in the foreground while some stick figure in the back has a poorly drawn sword. Something which is already inaccurate in the nuked tags and will only get more inaccurate when more art of these characters gets posted.

"un nuke" bur. I ran out of favgroup slots so had to do this on an alt.

Some of these were tags for the same thing so they were put under the same tag (mercy and forgiveness). I'm not too knowledgeable on the corvus and fireblade so avoiding those for now.

Might need renames at a later date.

It doesn't matter what they're from. This is not a tag democracy, tags are not created equal and they don't have the same rights. If your tag exists to filter down a one page search into a one page search and is 100% associated with a specific character, then it's worthless.
favgroup:33635: 9 posts.
rogal_dorn sword: 11 posts.
This is the definition of padding.

BUR #28375 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke the_armor_elavagar
nuke the_armor_of_the_word
nuke the_auric_armor
nuke the_barbaran_plate
nuke the_draken_scale
nuke the_gilded_panoply
nuke the_horned_raiment
nuke the_leonine_panoply
nuke the_logos_(warhammer)
nuke the_medusan_carapace
nuke the_nightmare_mantle
nuke the_pythian_scales
nuke the_sable_armor
nuke the_serpent's_scales_(warhammer)

More useless tags that are just "fulgrim's_armor" etc under another name. Seriously. Imagine if we had marisa's hat or even adeptus astartes armor at the same time as adeptus_astartes instead of just using power armor.

These are tags that would make sense for characters with thousands of posts and half of them without armor, not for characters that have their armor on 99% of the time.

The most baffling thing about this for me is that some of these armors like The Leonine Panoply aren't even correctly tagged. Compare for example this armor or this official art to the ones currently tagged like post #7477022. They look nothing alike. Even the shape of the iron halo is wrong.

nonamethanks said:

BUR #28375 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke the_armor_elavagar
nuke the_armor_of_the_word
nuke the_auric_armor
nuke the_barbaran_plate
nuke the_draken_scale
nuke the_gilded_panoply
nuke the_horned_raiment
nuke the_leonine_panoply
nuke the_logos_(warhammer)
nuke the_medusan_carapace
nuke the_nightmare_mantle
nuke the_pythian_scales
nuke the_sable_armor
nuke the_serpent's_scales_(warhammer)

More useless tags that are just "fulgrim's_armor" etc under another name. Seriously. Imagine if we had marisa's hat or even adeptus astartes armor at the same time as adeptus_astartes instead of just using power armor.

These are tags that would make sense for characters with thousands of posts and half of them without armor, not for characters that have their armor on 99% of the time.

The most baffling thing about this for me is that some of these armors like The Leonine Panoply aren't even correctly tagged. Compare for example this armor or this official art to the ones currently tagged like post #7477022. They look nothing alike. Even the shape of the iron halo is wrong.

nonamethanks said:

If you want to make an argument that these tags are needed then upload enough posts that it becomes a problem.

Worth noting the_pythian_scales is the name of the turquoise scale armor sometimes worn by the twins. For pythian scales vs regular armor see post #7477126. Pythian on the bottom twin.

Just to be clear, are you talking "quality or quantity" here so to speak? Because upping pictures of these characters without a piece of gear while someone else has it is pretty easy (eg, someone without their iconic sword while some random stick figure in the back has a sword) and would justify the tags imo. But expecting one account with (at the moment) less than a thousand posts, which isn't even unress, to up thousands of pics for each character in short time frame is pretty unreasonable.

Also the bur here was more targeted towards armor, what do we do about weapons which are arguably less "synonymous" with the character for the above reasons? the prior bur was mostly weapons.

The most baffling thing about this for me is that some of these armors like The Leonine Panoply aren't even correctly tagged. Compare for example this armor or this official art to the ones currently tagged like post #7477022. They look nothing alike. Even the shape of the iron halo is wrong.

Potential mistakes by taggers, potentially artist mistakes or inconsistent depictions. Their suits of armor were custom made and I was going of wiki guidelines like "he wore this before/after becoming a demon prince". It's the same reason I was iffy about magnuses armor because I can't fiqure out if what he wore as a demon was just a damaged version of the horned raiment or something else and why I never tagged guillimans armor because wore two different indistinct looking blue suits before and after his mega coma and the only way to tell what time period it is is by the pressence of other characters around him.

Also what in the world is a "tag democracy"?

Weapon types are even worse but even "character name" power_armor leads to stuff like this showing up for multiple characters because the emperor is wearing armor in the corner which isn't what anyone is looking for if they're searching for that characters armor.

Mango2 said:

Weapon types are even worse but even "character name" power_armor leads to stuff like this showing up for multiple characters because the emperor is wearing armor in the corner which isn't what anyone is looking for if they're searching for that characters armor.

There's no power armor - much less armor - in that image and should not be tagged with it. There is such a thing as overtagging. Or tagmaxxing, if I remember the meme pinned somewhere in the discord.

Every time I open a 40k image I end up seeing half a dozen tags I didn't know existed. It's not just the unqualified over-tagged weapons and armors or the unqualified military/political ranks, outfits, and factions, but just tons of little tags, too. There's usually a non-zero chance that at least one doesn't even apply to the image. Why is post #7824165 tagged rebreather and respirator (both tags, even before the cute and funny character taking over the latter, specifically for a form of facemask)? Why did you make chapped lips but only tag it on one image of the dude and then suddenly decide this one needs it too despite nearly every image of the dude having those same anti-bj crusty lip detailings?

This feels more like a dogmatic issue than one concerned with actual usability. Especially when you keep remaking these tags even when NNT deletes them. It really doesn't help that it's often only on images where you can't even properly see the armor. It's an odd hill to stake your bunker on.

The bulk update request #28373 (forum #292058) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #28375 (forum #292063) has been approved by @nonamethanks.