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Aliasing pulled_by_another and lifted_by_another

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BUR #22112 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias pulled_by_another -> pulling_another's_clothes
create alias lifted_by_another -> lifting_another's_clothes
remove alias pulled_by_another -> pulling_another's_clothes
remove alias lifted_by_another -> lifting_another's_clothes
deprecate pulled_by_another
deprecate lifted_by_another

These tags are extremely poorly named. Their names are so ambiguous that they're fully dependent on their wikis to define them and their naming is almost intentionally designed to mislead people by operating on different assumptions from most other tags with similar naming schemes.

The naming of these tags operate on a misleading assumption, as they follow an ordering of "<assumption: clothes> lifted by another [person]". In pretty much any other tag when we require someone to assume a blank, that's because it essentially means "person" or character. Which we can see with tags like on_ground, in_container, lying on another which are "person on ground, "person in container," and "person lying on another [person]" essentially. If something else is on the ground or on the floor, we don't rely on a blank assumption and instead we label the object, such as clothes on floor. In the case of these tags though the assumption is that we understand the blank means "clothes" which is a poor assumption to require given all the other tags. This is especially true when there are actually tags for pulling and lifting people. The pulling tag used for people (and their clothes) being pulled by another person and the lifting person tag in which lifting another is already aliased too.

While there are also counterpart tags to these using the by_self naming, I'm limiting this specifically to those that follow the by_another naming. The by_self tags at least don't immediately confuse themselves with other tags and there is likely to be greater disagreement on an alternative naming for them where these by_another tags have obvious and logical alternative naming.

I think there is merit in keeping the old tag names as aliases. I had to look up this thread just to find the new names of these tags.
I'm too used to them being named similarly to pulled by self etc.

I'm sure a good number of people will just not tag them if they can't find these tags easily.

BUR #25346 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias lifted_by_self -> lifting_own_clothes
create alias pulled_by_self -> pulling_own_clothes

For consistency with the above. Just like Admiral Pectoral said above, I was confused trying to find lifted by another and ended up here. If lifted by self exists, it's intuitive to assume the opposite would be lifted by another. Hopefully this change helps people find the correct tags easier.

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