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BUR #22104 has been rejected.
mass update sensei_(blue_archive) -female_sensei_(blue_archive) -> character:male_sensei_(blue_archive)
create implication male_sensei_(blue_archive) -> sensei_(blue_archive)
Admittedly this mass update is a bit shit with regards to accuracy (I'm open to suggestions), but I think we could do with male sensei not being the default when female sensei exists (same goes for other gachas).
Talulah said:
Is the idea to turn sensei into an umbrella tag or...? The other thread was inconclusive on what to do with these tags and has since been derailed.
Given the current setup of the sensei tags, it would indeed turn sensei (blue archive) into an umbrella tag. Given that there's quite a few sensei variations that may be for the best in BA's case, I'm unsure about other gachas.
It's an okay tag, I guess, but I disagree with your usage proposal.
My opinion is that `male sensei` should be used for OC senseis, and not doodle sensei, or 68 sensei, or any other official male sensei that may come in the future.
Also, why change category and not just create it as a char: tag right away?
No matter what the mass update says there will have to be manual review because of all the outlier cases. The current BUR excludes post #6915581 for example. Though I agree it likely includes too much right now.
Talulah said:
No matter what the mass update says there will have to be manual review because of all the outlier cases. The current BUR excludes post #6915581 for example. Though I agree it likely includes too much right now.
There's probably a better mass update possible yeah. I'm unsure about excluding subtypes though, since, for example, from what I can see Doodle Sensei is usually depicted in quite a male way.
hdk5 said:
It's an okay tag, I guess, but I disagree with your usage proposal.
My opinion is that `male sensei` should be used for OC senseis, and not doodle sensei, or 68 sensei, or any other official male sensei that may come in the future.
My bad, forgot to reply.
This kind of misses my point though, which is to ask the question on why a sensei depicted as male should be considered the default. The current wiki for Female Sensei doesn't have any "OC-or-variant" clause like you're proposing either, so having one only for male sensei just makes no sense to me.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
My bad, forgot to reply.
This kind of misses my point though, which is to ask the question on why a sensei depicted as male should be considered the default. The current wiki for Female Sensei doesn't have any "OC-or-variant" clause like you're proposing either, so having one only for male sensei just makes no sense to me.
Because a female sensei is naturally an OC, as sensei being the only human male in the game is an entire plot point.
Veraducks said:
Because a female sensei is naturally an OC, as sensei being the only human male in the game is an entire plot point.
Then this just happens to be a poor example stemming from my lack of BA knowledge, but the same could be said about many of the various commanders, admirals, etc., which is the point I'm trying to get at here.
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Veraducks said:
Because a female sensei is naturally an OC, as sensei being the only human male in the game is an entire plot point.
Wasn't Sensei's gender supposed to be ambiguous throughout the game? I can't find anything stating that they are definitely male.
I thought the rationale behind not having a male-equivalent tag was because since an overwhelming majority of posts depict Sensei as male, it wouldn't be useful for searching for those posts.
Also, strictly speaking, female Sensei doesn't only apply to OCs. If we had any genderswaps of Doodle Sensei or Problem Solver Sensei (we don't yet), they would also be tagged with female Sensei. A tag for the female variant is useful because it would be difficult to find without it (especially with an all-female student body), while a tag for the male variant would be much less useful for the opposite reason.
Veraducks said:
Because a female sensei is naturally an OC, as sensei being the only human male in the game is an entire plot point.
No, that isn't the plot point. In Akane's momotalks, you can directly choose if you want Akane to call you Onii-san or Onee-san. The point isn't that they're the only human male, it's that they're the only adult without a halo, or what the writers literally call a "complete being", compared to the "incomplete" students. Yes, the majority of the playerbase is male, so the majority of senseis are male. Sensei themselves is a self-insert that can be whatever gender the player considers them to be.
I personally believe in having seperate tags for male and female sensei since there's some distinct artist that could deserve easier tag search.
By the way, can we also turns the problem solver sensei tag into glasses-wearing sensei? While it may not seems like much, ps68 sensei doesn't really have enough work to have a tag name to his own, and OC sensei who just happen to have black hair and wear glass doesn't like theirs being called ps68 sensei since there's clear distinction.
Like I mentioned in forum #266040, it doesn't make much sense to have an umbrella tag for tags of wildly different sizes such as this.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
This kind of misses my point though, which is to ask the question on why a sensei depicted as male should be considered the default.
Because the vast majority of fanart is of male player characters. Female posts make up 3% of all the posts, it's a miniscule minority. If we made this umbrella tag, male sensei (blue archive) would make up for 97% of sensei (blue archive) posts.
The only utility in having them separate would be to search for posts of both male and female sensei at once, but dual persona is supposed to achieve the same result, and the alternative offers no advantage for member-level users (still a two tag search).
The bulk update request #22104 (forum #263662) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.
