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The Vtuber Alternate Costume Tagging Proposal

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evazion

Something that needs to be said: do not lie about what tags are called in wikis. Do not write things like this:

Yuuki Chihiro:

When none of the tags are called that. If you think that's what the tags should be called, then request aliases. Otherwise don't lie about what the tags actually are. It's deeply misleading when you open a wiki and it claims the tags are called one thing when they're actually called another. If calling them all "Nth costume" is confusing (and it is), then that's a sign they need to be aliased to real names.

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ArcieA

evazion said:
When none of the tags are called that. If you think that's what the tags should be called, then request aliases. Otherwise don't lie about what the tags actually are. It's deeply misleading when you open a wiki and it claims the tags are called one thing when they're actually called another. If calling them all "Nth costume" is confusing (and it is), then that's a sign they need to be aliased to real names.

The names were based off what was described on the Nijisanji wiki that was provided. "Casino girl" is actually rendered as "dealer (as in "casino dealer") outfit" there but the name was chosen to make more sense to EN. To be fair, we do intend to alias all the Nijisanji outfits using the names given in the costume catalog on that site but Damian was the one who insisted we finish the Hololive Closet first before moving on to the others. We only committed to tagging the NijiOutfits at the same time as the HoloCloset so that we won't have to spend too much time gardening them when we got there.

FWIW, it was someone else (ICJ) who tagged Kuramochi Meruto (school uniform) because it was the name applied by JP themselves and I only requested the utility alias. And Damian was the one who renamed the Sanbaka (and Saku's) Valkyrie Connect collab outfits into "Valkyrie Hero" because it was the name applied to charas on the game itself.

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Damian0358

ArcieA said:

FWIW, it was someone else (ICJ) who tagged Kuramochi Meruto (school uniform) because it was the name applied by JP themselves and I only requested the utility alias.

I'd sooner assume that ICJ was just following the precedent set by the Holo school uniform tags without reference to the fan wiki.

ArcieA said:

Damian was the one who renamed the Sanbaka (and Saku's) Valkyrie Connect collab outfits into "Valkyrie Hero" because it was the name applied to charas on the game itself.

I still personally think those shouldn't be costume tags to begin with, even if they have models, because collaborative costumes such as that are always likely to have so little representation on Danbooru that just searching something like [insertvtuberhere] valkyrie_connect should be sufficient enough (it's also why I insist that they do not fall under the nth_costume count), but with evazion cracking the lid open on non-model costume tags with Marine's Nun costume (and inspired by that, Korone's SoniKoro costume), I was forced into action to set a precedent for such costumes if they have no proper name attached to them (as was the case here, since they had no name in-game due to just being the default costume), to avoid tag-warring as had already happened by some folks trying to force the Holo Azur Lane default costumes into being tags.

In Valkyrie Connect's case, "Hero" is what characters in Valkyrie Connect are referred to as, and due to "Hero" by itself being ambiguous, "Valkyrie Hero" would suffice, keeping the context of the costume in place without being forced to use the copyright name which would make it sound like it was a separate character based on tagging practices.

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evazion

ArcieA said:

The names were based off what was described on the Nijisanji wiki that was provided. "Casino girl" is actually rendered as "dealer (as in "casino dealer") outfit" there but the name was chosen to make more sense to EN. To be fair, we do intend to alias all the Nijisanji outfits using the names given in the costume catalog on that site but Damian was the one who insisted we finish the Hololive Closet first before moving on to the others. We only committed to tagging the NijiOutfits at the same time as the HoloCloset so that we won't have to spend too much time gardening them when we got there.

I'm not talking about any particular character here. I see this all the time in practically every VTuber wiki. I open a wiki and see a list of costume tags and go to check them out, only to find out that none of the tags are called what the wiki says they're called. Or even worse, half the tags are correct and half are made up. It drives me absolutely mad.

A fundamental rule of the internet is that you should know where a link goes before you click on it. You shouldn't have a link to dog that actually links to cat. You shouldn't have a wiki that says a tag is called one thing when it's actually called something else. It's frustrating when you try to search for a tag because that's what the wiki said it was called, only to find out it's called something totally different.

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Damian0358

BUR #21752 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias amane_kanata_(work_outfit) -> amane_kanata_(work)
remove alias amane_kanata_(work_outfit) -> amane_kanata_(work)

Given that the other hololive Closet costumes all had 'outfit' in their listings, meaning it was a filler word that could either be substituted with our equivalent 'costume' for consistency or just removed wholesale, I think it's more appropriate for it to just be "Work", if we're choosing to not include 'costume' in the descriptive qualifiers.

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TheGamingRodent avidbookreader
Damian0358

BUR #21753 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias hoshimachi_suisei_(3rd_costume) -> hoshimachi_suisei_(streetwear)
create alias hoshimachi_suisei_(everyday) -> hoshimachi_suisei_(streetwear)

Following on from hololive Closet, one of the odder names is the one for Suisei's 3rd costume, referring to it as her 'everyday' (or 普段着) costume. The implication of that name, in my eyes at least, is that this is the fit she wears when she's out and about - that being, her streetwear. So that's what I'm going to propose for the costume here, with the hololive Closet name as a utility alias.

Speaking of 'streetwear', it sure is odd now that we have streetwear (ストリートウェア), street (おでかけ) and street casual (私服おでかけ) because of hololive Closet, huh?

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TheGamingRodent avidbookreader
Damian0358

BUR #21754 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias usada_pekora_(5th_costume) -> usada_pekora_(furi_furi_bunny_dress)

It's surprising we haven't gotten to this one yet. Following on the trend of naming the costumes after what the girls themselves call it, ala Another Ookami Mio, it should be simple enough to alias Pekora's 5th costume to the name she gave it, that being "Furi Furi Bunny Dress". I briefly considered going with the English translation of "Frilly Bunny Dress", but the romaji seems to get more hits on Google?

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TheGamingRodent ArcieA avidbookreader Mexiguy
keonas

Created outfit tags for Qpi, but wanted to double check tag names, because she has a few quirks.
kaminari_qpi_(1st_costume) - Outfit only while she was under busou kanojo, was retired when that group disbanded so I considered calling it kaminari_qpi_(busou_kanojo).
kaminari_qpi_(2nd_costume) - Her "default" outfit while in vspo!, considered starting outfit numbering with this as 1.
kaminari_qpi_(3rd_costume)
kaminari_qpi_(3d_costume) - 3d model outfit, a combination of 2nd and 3rd outfits, but I think it's distinct enough to be a tag and has a twitter hashtag. Name is kinda too close to "3rd" though, if there are other ideas?
kaminari_qpi_(summer_c102) - 2nd non-mainline outfit.
kaminari_qpi_(4th_costume) - Would go with "_(chinese gyaru)" here if we are to rename them.

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