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getting rid of (some of) the ugly fate (all) tags

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nonamethanks

BUR #6464 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias artoria_pendragon_(all) -> artoria_pendragon_(fate)
create alias tamamo_(fate)_(all) -> tamamo_(fate)
create alias tamamo_no_mae_(fate) -> tamamo_no_mae_(fate/extra)
mass update nero_claudius_(fate) -> nero_claudius_(fate/extra)
create alias nero_claudius_(fate)_(all) -> nero_claudius_(fate)
create alias cu_chulainn_(fate)_(all) -> cu_chulainn_(fate)
mass update mordred_(fate) -> mordred_(fate/apocrypha)
create alias mordred_(fate)_(all) -> mordred_(fate)

Just like how we just did with bb_(fate). (all) tags are ugly and we definitely don't want to encourage people to make more of them, so let's get rid of as many of the existing ones as we can.

These are the ones that wouldn't conflict. Some like ishtar_(fate) vs ishtar_(fate)_(all) are messy, so I'm just making this topic for the easy ones with no conflict.

Removing the subseries name from the tag names in retrospect was a dumb idea, if we want to separate skins properly.

If you are going to downvote this topic merely because it's about fate or because you don't like umbrella tags, please restrict the screeching to topic #17356.

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Astolfo

Artoria is pretty much the only one (along with Jeanne, I guess) I could see as potentially somewhat useful considering just how many different forms those two have, but I'm all for removing _(all) tags and standardising Fate tagging with other gachas.

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Astolfo said:

Artoria is pretty much the only one (along with Jeanne, I guess) I could see as potentially somewhat useful considering just how many different forms those two have, but I'm all for removing _(all) tags and standardising Fate tagging with other gachas.

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Admiral Pectoral

nonamethanks said:

We're not nuking them, just renaming them to remove the _(all) suffix.

So basically having a subseries tag + a general (fate) tag instead of the (all) one. Though maybe a bit less straightforward.
That sounds good.
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Astolfo

What's messy about the remaining ones? I'd like to get rid of more of the _(all) tags (particularly the ones that are very superfluous due to very few variants, like Medb or Scathach).

As it stands, the remaining _(all) tags are as follows:
Ishtar_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by ishtar_(fate), ishtar_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate), and space_ishtar_(fate)
Oda_Nobunaga_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by oda_nobunaga_(maou_avenger)_(fate), oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate), and oda_nobunaga_(fate) (and should probably be implied by oda_kippoushi_(fate) also)
Medb_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by medb_(fate) and medb_(swimsuit_saber)_(fate)
Scathach_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by scathach_(fate), scathach_skadi_(fate), and scathach_(swimsuit_assassin)_(fate)
Okita_Souji_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by okita_souji_(swimsuit_assassin)_(fate), okita_souji_(alter)_(fate), and okita_souji_(fate)
Elizabeth_Bathory_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by mecha_eli-chan_mk.ii_(fate), mecha_eli-chan_(fate), elizabeth_bathory_(fate), elizabeth_bathory_(brave)_(fate), and elizabeth_bathory_(halloween)_(fate)
Jeanne_d'Arc_(Fate)_(All) -> Implied by jeanne_d'arc_alter_santa_lily_(fate), jeanne_d'arc_(alter_swimsuit_berserker)_(fate), jeanne_d'arc_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate), jeanne_d'arc_(alter)_(fate), and jeanne_d'arc_(fate) gdi fgo

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evazion

For characters who appear only in Fate/Grand Order, I think we could simply alias the *_(all) tag to the *_(fate) tag. Like this:

For Jeanne, we should probably have this:

That is, move what is currently Jeanne d'Arc (Fate) to Jeanne d'Arc (Fate/Apocrypha) then repurpose Jeanne d'Arc (Fate) as the umbrella tag. Alternately we could have Jeanne d'Arc (Ruler) (Fate) instead of Jeanne d'Arc (Fate/Apocrypha) (Fate), since the Fate/Apocrypha version does appear in Fate/Grand Order too.

Likewise for Elizabeth Bathory, we could move Elizabeth Bathory (Fate) to Elizabeth Bathory (Fate/Extra CCC) and repurpose Elizabeth Bathory (Fate) for the umbrella tag:

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EB

Ditching the "all" qualifiers is fine, but I'm not really in favor of getting rid of distinct tags for the vanilla versions of Ishtar, Nobu, and Scathach. Especially in the case of Scathach and Skadi, they are quite distinct characters.

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Benit149

BUR #7007 has been rejected.

create alias elizabeth_bathory_(fate)_(all) -> elizabeth_bathory_(fate)
create alias jeanne_d'arc_(fate)_(all) -> jeanne_d'arc_(fate)
create alias oda_nobunaga_(fate)_(all) -> oda_nobunaga_(fate)
create alias okita_souji_(fate)_(all) -> okita_souji_(fate)

In response to topic #19418, I'm making this request. I think these are (all) tags that can be reasonably changed to just the (fate) qualifier, provided that the vanilla variants get their own tags. I apologize, but I'm not versed enough with how requests work to know how to move the existing vanilla variants of a character to a new tag. They would have to be done as follows:

elizabeth_bathory_(fate) -> elizabeth_bathory_(fate/extra) (or would it be elizabeth_bathory_(fate/extra_ccc)? I would think she's part of the overall Fate/Extra series by now due to her appearances in the two Extella games)
jeanne_d'arc_(fate) -> jeanne_d'arc_(fate/apocrypha)
oda_nobunaga_(fate) -> oda_nobunaga_(koha-ace)
okita_souji_(fate) -> okita_souji_(koha-ace)

After this is done, the only characters remaining with (all) tags are Medb, Scathach and Ishtar, and their *_(fate/grand_order) tags are already aliased to their *_(fate) tag. I didn't include them here because it looks like those dealiases need to happen first before their (all) tags can be aliased.

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Astolfo

I think mass updates/etc need to be done for some of these before aliasing the catch-all tag, otherwise we lose the ability to have a tag only for the original variant of a character, similarly to what was done in the first request of this thread.

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