Honkai Series tag clean proposal

Ok,so I brought this up in the comment section of one of the images:

I'm thinking of removing some tags from most entries in honkai_(series), mainly character tags. The reason being is that having tags for each battlesuit makes things overly complicated in my opinion. Each battlesuit has its particular element which can be easily found with a generic tag, for example Sixth Serenade can be found by combining kallen_kaslana and mask, Kiana's White Comet by combining kiana_kaslana and white_bodysuit, Sakura's Flame Sakitama by combining yae_sakura and armor, you get the idea. This is why is important to add tags which highlight each battlesuit's particular elements. It would also erase the need to add battlesuit names to characters who are different from their original counterpart such as zhuge_kongming_(honkai_impact) and theresa_apocalypse, or yae_kasumi and yae_sakura. Everything previously mentioned would also include the cosplay tag of each battlesuit such as kiana_kaslana_(white_comet)_(cosplay), costume tags such as raiden_mei_(aeterba_purum), and other misc tags like tranquil_arias_(honkai_impact).

Now, there could be exceptions such as theresa_apocalypse_(luna_kindred) since she's not the same person as the original Theresa. Other exceptions are rita_rossweisse_(fallen_rosemary) (unless she has a different name), seele_(alter_ego) as Seele's other persona, and kallen_kaslana_(ritual_imayoh) who is a character from Kallen Fantasy VII. yae_sakura_(goushinnso_memento) is canonically Sakura from the Previous Era, so 'Yae' would need to be removed from her name. About Herrscher of the Void, adding both Kiana and Sirin tags and remove the battlesuit name could be a good idea. Other possesed characters could work in a similar way or vary case per case. I guess a general tag for Herrschers/Lawmen could also be added.

At the moment I'm adding battlesuit tags to their respective characters to make it easier to add clothing/appearance tags in the future. If you have any feedback feel free to reply.

This got a reply saying that it would make it harder for people to search for specific battlesuits and that other gacha games are being tagged like this too, to which I replied:

The issue with adding a new tag for each battlesuit, costume and cosplay is that they'll just keep piling on since the game is still and will be updated for a long time. Another thing is, as previously mentioned, the battlesuit naming kinda conflicts directly with the lore: There's this character who looks exactly like Theresa Apocalypse, but is actually a completely different person, called Zhuge Kongming. However, the game doesn't differentiate between the 2 because there are in-game mechanics tied to character types/names. As result, Zhuge ended up being called 'Theresa Apocalypse' in the character selection menu, which translated to the theresa_apocalypse_(starlit_astrologos) that's currently used on images featuring that character.

So yeah, I think adding tags for each battlesuit makes thing unnecessarily complicated, but I also want to know what everyone thinks first.

While I'm not too familiar with the Honkai series, I will point out that what you've brought up indirectly relates to the recent Fate/ tagging discussions, forum #171945 and forum #172777, in the sense that it's also got some complicated tagging issues and the discussion has partially leaked into talking about gacha tags in general (Honkai itself being brought up).

The main man involved in the Fate/ tagging discussion, @Benit149, has said this too;

I actually spent yesterday and today drafting what I call the Guide to Gacha Game Tagging since it's evident that there is a growing demand for standardizing how gacha game characters should be tagged. If anyone is interested in seeing what I came up with so far, I'll post it in a new thread for scrutinizing and ironing out the finer details. On a related note, I realized that in Microsoft Word 2019, quotation and apostrophe marks seem to be different from how they're done in Danbooru's text boxes, which directly affects CSS formatting. I had to go into the text box and manually change all of the quotations and apostrophes in order for the coding to work.

Perhaps the two of us could aid one another.

I'm just going to ask, complicated in what way? What's the actual detriment to having an individual tag for each unique design?

Damian0358 said:

Yeah, I'd be happy to help.

blindVigil said:

I'm just going to ask, complicated in what way? What's the actual detriment to having an individual tag for each unique design?

The need to add battlesuit tags (which may not even have character's actual name in the first place) on top of the name tag, which also drags cosplay tags in, opposed to just having the character name. I don't see how that's not overcomplicating things.

ManularChimera4 said:

Yeah, I'd be happy to help.

The need to add battlesuit tags (which may not even have character's actual name in the first place) on top of the name tag, which also drags cosplay tags in, opposed to just having the character name. I don't see how that's not overcomplicating things.

And I don't see how that overcomplicates things. It's one or two extra tags on an image, that make finding that specific design much easier than only being able to stumble across them if you aren't already aware they exist. There's also the two tag limit to consider, having to use gen tags to find an easily recognizable and officially named design feels more complicated, and limiting, to me than needing to add a few extra tags.

If there are any character tags that are misnamed, then we can fix those. It's not an indication that the entire tag system is faulty.

blindVigil said:

And I don't see how that overcomplicates things. It's one or two extra tags on an image, that make finding that specific design much easier than only being able to stumble across them if you aren't already aware they exist. There's also the two tag limit to consider, having to use gen tags to find an easily recognizable and officially named design feels more complicated, and limiting, to me than needing to add a few extra tags.

If there are any character tags that are misnamed, then we can fix those. It's not an indication that the entire tag system is faulty.

Eh, I disagree. I mean, how are you going to fix theresa_apocalypse_(starlit_astrologos)? By changing it to something like zhuge_kongming_(starlit_astrologos)? At that point you'd basically be making up stuff since we're talking about battlesuit names, and that's not how that battlesuit is called in the game. Or how do you fix rita_rossweisse_(fallen_rosemary)? In the event that released today she is called Irene Adler. Or yae_sakura_(darkbolt_jonin)? Those are issues that arose because battlesuit tags were deemed necessary.

ManularChimera4 said:

Eh, I disagree. I mean, how are you going to fix theresa_apocalypse_(starlit_astrologos)? By changing it to something like zhuge_kongming_(starlit_astrologos)? At that point you'd basically be making up stuff since we're talking about battlesuit names, and that's not how that battlesuit is called in the game. Or how do you fix rita_rossweisse_(fallen_rosemary)? In the event that released today she is called Irene Adler. Or yae_sakura_(darkbolt_jonin)? Those are issues that arose because battlesuit tags were deemed necessary.

Well apparently you've already made an attempt at fixing it by creating Zhuge Kongming (Honkai Impact) before any sort of conclusion had been reached.

I certainly don't recall saying any of the potentially incorrect tag names had to maintain the battlesuit tag format. I said if a tag is named incorrectly, we can fix it. If you have a solution, that isn't just nuking a bunch of tags, please share it so it can actually be discussed. You seem to know a lot about the topic, please enlighten the rest of us.

blindVigil said:

Well apparently you've already made an attempt at fixing it by creating Zhuge Kongming (Honkai Impact) before any sort of conclusion had been reached.

I certainly don't recall saying any of the potentially incorrect tag names had to maintain the battlesuit tag format. I said if a tag is named incorrectly, we can fix it. If you have a solution, that isn't just nuking a bunch of tags, please share it so it can actually be discussed. You seem to know a lot about the topic, please enlighten the rest of us.

As mentioned before I'm in favor of removing battlesuit tags so I don't see reason for me to think of a way of keeping them. That's precisely why I want to read what other people have to say on the matter. Also, since there could be people reading this who have no knowledge about the Honkai series feel free to ask any questions.

And about the tag, I thought necessary to add the character's actual name to rise awareness on the matter.

ManularChimera4 said:

And about the tag, I thought necessary to add the character's actual name to rise awareness on the matter.

That's exactly what this thread is for, discussing a potential problem. Adding a character tag with less than 40 posts that people might not recognize or even see, and without giving it a wiki, isn't going to communicate to anyone that there's a problem.

You haven't adequately explained anything, such as what exactly makes the additional tags complicated. Does it hinder searching? Tagging? Are they confusing? Is it just because a handful of characters have been incorrectly tagged? What is the actual, tangible benefit to nuking around 20 character tags, that's worth hindering users' ability to find these designs?

blindVigil said:

That's exactly what this thread is for, discussing a potential problem. Adding a character tag with less than 40 posts that people might not recognize or even see, and without giving it a wiki, isn't going to communicate to anyone that there's a problem.

You haven't adequately explained anything, such as what exactly makes the additional tags complicated. Does it hinder searching? Tagging? Are they confusing? Is it just because a handful of characters have been incorrectly tagged? What is the actual, tangible benefit to nuking around 20 character tags, that's worth hindering users' ability to find these designs?

I've already explained several times tagging characters based on the battlesuits directly contradicts the lore, though? Which is something that happens not with 2 or 3, but with a good amount of battlesuits and that confuses people. How are you going to convey that these 2 are different characters if they share the a common name? Why are these theresa_apocalypse_(starlit_astrologos) images tagged like that when the character is not actually Theresa? Why are these rita_rossweisse_(fallen_rosemary) images tagged like that when the character is not actually Rita? Because the battlesuits are called like that in the game, yes, which is where the whole issues comes from. Removing battlesuit tags would erase the load of tagging characters based on their game mechanics and focus solely on actual lore.

I've already asked you this but how could this be solved without erasing the battlesuit tags, specially since they contradict the images just by existing? Let's say you decide to keep the battlesuit names excepting the ones for characters like Zhuge and Irene, then make tags like zhuge_kongming_(honkai_impact) to differentiate them. I mean, that would just mean a lack of consistency. At the same time, adding battlesuit tags for the previously mentioned characters would be utterly pointless since they all have only a single playable battlesuit, which means it wouldn't make the search for them any easier.

The previous point also takes me to talk about searching. At this moment, if any new player or person who doesn't play the game searched for Irene Adler from Honkai in this site they wouldn't find anything. Looking at the results in Honkai_(Series) would actually led them to believe that Irene Adler is just Rita wearing a new costume/battlesuit. Same with every other character of this nature. The way characters are currently tagged hinders searching and leds to confussion.

All of this is product of the addition of the battlesuit tags.

ManularChimera4 said:

I've already explained several times tagging characters based on the battlesuits directly contradicts the lore, though?

Depending on the situation, it might be preferable to take some liberty with the lore so that the whole system could be more user-friendly. Not sure if we are in this case here.

ManularChimera4 said:

How are you going to convey that these 2 are different characters if they share the a common name?

If they are different characters, we should tag them accordingly as two different chartags. For example, this is what is done with Puru Two and Elpeo Puru. If these variations are like classes, then they can also be tagged as chartags (such examples are included in Elsword or Seiken Densetsu 3). However, if these variations are only clothes, they should be tagged as gentags (examples in the "Songs and Costumes" section of Love Live! School Idol Project). The main problem seems to be about the confusion from their names, but some work on the wording or investigation about how the fandom call them & writing of the wiki pages could do the trick ?

ManularChimera4 said:

At the same time, adding battlesuit tags for the previously mentioned characters would be utterly pointless since they all have only a single playable battlesuit, which means it wouldn't make the search for them any easier.

As you said, Honkai Impact is still being updated, so this statement could be wrong in the near future.

ManularChimera4 said:

At this moment, if any new player or person who doesn't play the game searched for Irene Adler from Honkai in this site they wouldn't find anything.

Couldn't an alias solve this ?

At any rate, I'm not fan of removing tags that contains actual (non-redondant) information. You claimed that Kiana Kaslana (White Comet) is just Kiana Kaslana with a white bodysuit, but she doesn't seem to be tagged as such :

kiana_kaslana_(white_comet) -white_bodysuit counts 55 posts.
kiana_kaslana_(white_comet) white_bodysuit counts 15 posts.
kiana_kaslana -kiana_kaslana_(white_comet) white_bodysuit counts 3 posts.

ManularChimera4 said:

I've already explained several times tagging characters based on the battlesuits directly contradicts the lore, though? Which is something that happens not with 2 or 3, but with a good amount of battlesuits and that confuses people. How are you going to convey that these 2 are different characters if they share the a common name? Why are these theresa_apocalypse_(starlit_astrologos) images tagged like that when the character is not actually Theresa? Why are these rita_rossweisse_(fallen_rosemary) images tagged like that when the character is not actually Rita? Because the battlesuits are called like that in the game, yes, which is where the whole issues comes from. Removing battlesuit tags would erase the load of tagging characters based on their game mechanics and focus solely on actual lore.

I already explained that if a character is being tagged incorrectly, it can be fixed, without deleting a bunch of decently populated tags an unknown number of users have already come to rely on existing.

I've already asked you this but how could this be solved without erasing the battlesuit tags, specially since they contradict the images just by existing? Let's say you decide to keep the battlesuit names excepting the ones for characters like Zhuge and Irene, then make tags like zhuge_kongming_(honkai_impact) to differentiate them. I mean, that would just mean a lack of consistency. At the same time, adding battlesuit tags for the previously mentioned characters would be utterly pointless since they all have only a single playable battlesuit, which means it wouldn't make the search for them any easier.

It's called an exception. It's not a big deal if not every single tag is identical. It's certainly preferable in many cases for related tags to follow a recognizable theme, but it's not the end of the world if a few tags have to be exempted.

The previous point also takes me to talk about searching. At this moment, if any new player or person who doesn't play the game searched for Irene Adler from Honkai in this site they wouldn't find anything. Looking at the results in Honkai_(Series) would actually led them to believe that Irene Adler is just Rita wearing a new costume/battlesuit. Same with every other character of this nature. The way characters are currently tagged hinders searching and leds to confussion.

All of this is product of the addition of the battlesuit tags.

How about this. Please provide a full list of every single battlesuit tag that causes some sort of contradiction, due to actually being a completely separate person or however, with an explanation of what's wrong for each. We can then decide what to do for those cases and go from there. Even if we did decide to nuke all of the battlesuit tags, those special cases are still going to need tags of their own, and that's easier to do while they're still collected under a specific tag.

Rignak said:

The missing tags are the uploader's responsability. But that doesn't matter, what matters is that you presented the perfect solution. To put it simply, battlesuits are not characters nor represent a different variation of certain character, they're just different costumes and armors that characters wear in the story. You mentioned the way Love Live tagging works which happens to be perfect for Honkai, that is turning battlesuit tags into gentags. For example turning the char tag kiana kaslana (white comet) into a general tag like white_comet without a character name. So if we have take an image where another character is wearing White Comet then only the general tags white_comet and kiana_kaslana_(cosplay) would be necessary instead of having to add 3 different character tags.

To be honest that was the biggest issue I had with the way the images are currently tagged. Battlesuits are not characters and some images end up wrongly tagged as result. What do you think about it?

blindVigil said:

Our conversation isn't going anywhere so I'll just give you the context you asked for.

Raiden Mei (Shadow Dash) Doesn't have an in-game explanation and the only time it's ever been used in the story is in Yae Kasumi's alternate universe. There she was the Raiden Mei of that timeline, and vastly different to the Mei from the main timeline.
Theresa Apocalypse (Luna Kindred) She's a clone of Kallen Kaslana like the original Theresa, but a different one and only share their appearance. Everything from their backstories to their personalities is different. She was introduced in an event story and has since had appearances in multiple other events. The original Theresa is also in some of them, which sets them further apart.
Theresa Apocalypse (Sakura Rondo) Actual battlesuit name is Sakuno Rondo. From the main timeline, this is basically Theresa's body being possesed by the Previous Era's Herrscher of Corruption, who's currently tagged as Higokumaru. Fan artists take some liberties with the possession part, and the events set in alternate universes also normally ignore that aspect.
Theresa Apocalypse (Starlit Astrologos) This is basically Honkai Impact's Zhuge Kongming, who happens to look like Theresa. Kind of a doppelganger thing. Her event storyline takes place in an alternate universe, but it's also implied she existed in the main timeline in ancient times (around the time the real life Zhuge Kongming existed).
Rita Rossweisse (Maid of Celestia) This is Rita from Zhuge Kongming's timeline. She was basically Zhuge's best friend and right hand.
Rita Rossweisse (Fallen Rosemary) This is Irene Adler from an alternate timeline. Irene Adler apparently also existed in the main timeline but the stigmata artwork suggests she didn't look like Rita.
Yae Sakura (Goushinnso Memento) At the beginning she was just a character from an in-universe videogame, but then the company retconned her to be the Sakura from the Previous Era. She's not the same as Yae Sakura (Current Era), the girl with miko outfit, therfore the "Yae" in her name is wrong. It's not explained yet why some Previous Era characters look like some Current Era ones, but this is not an exclusive case. It's not reincarnation as there's proof against that, and Previous Era survivors are aware of this fact.
Yae Sakura (Darkbolt Jonin) This is going to get a little confusing but bear with me. This is Yae Kasumi, her event story happens in an alternate universe. It's later revealed that Kasumi is that alternate universe's Yae Sakura but her soul was transferred to another clone body (which caused her severe amnesia) due to her original body being possessed by the Previous Era's Herrscher of Corruption. At the end of the day she's still considered a different character since she didn't retain almost anything from Yae Sakura other than some emotions, and she sees herself as Kasumi.
Kallen Kaslana (Ritual Imayoh) She's a character from a videogame Otto Apocalypse made. So not the actual Kallen.
Kallen Kaslana (Sin Hunter) She's Kallen from Luna Kindred's timeline. She was dead initially but Otto from that timeline created Luna Kindred with the objective to revive her.

There's also a ton of characters from alternate timelines, but since they don't have a big role or look the same as the ones from the main timeline they probably don't need their own tags. Time will tell I guess. It's worth noting that sometimes alternate costumes are used exclusively in alternate timeline events, like Mei's Shadow Dash or Bronya's Mercurial Hatter costume.

Finally I'd like to point out that Jingwei (Honkai Impact) is an example of correct tagging, as she is basically a fictional character based on Fu Hua, made by one of her friends.

ManularChimera4: forum #173120

I genuinely believe the majority of these can be resolved by adding clarifying information like what you've provided into the respective tags' wikis. Rita Rossweisse (Fallen Rosemary) is actually Irene Adler from another dimension, who inexplicably looks exactly like Rita Rossweisse? Slap it in the wiki!

Danbooru's policy is "tag what you see, not what you know". We only care about what we can see in the image. If you removed Rita Rossweisse (Fallen Rosemary) and just tagged all such images as Irene Adler, a character who looks nothing like Rita Rossweisse, you're gonna have people going, "What, that's not Irene, that's Rita, are you blind?" We also typically prefer to use whatever the original work calls things. Unless the character select screen says something like, "Irene Adler (Fallen Rosemary)" then we're going to keep calling it Rita Rossweisse (Fallen Rosemary), because that's what the game calls it and that's what the character looks like.

That said, if other users have better solutions to these suggested problems, I'll defer to their judgment. I'm not an expert on what's best for the site.

As for removing the battlesuit tags or making them gen tags, I'm firmly against both ideas and I'll vote against it every single time. I briefly explained why in another thread, but I'll cover it more thoroughly here as well.

Currently, finding and tagging the various Honkai character outfits is extremely easy. This is what I see when I type "Kiana_Kaslana" into the search bar. It's the same when tagging. Even without knowing anything at all about Honkai characters, users can easily find and tag all of their outfits because of the way their tags have been made. Removing the character's name from the tag, just because maybe an artist will make fanart of another character wearing it, significantly reduces the visibility of these tags. They wouldn't show up in autofill, making them more difficult to find and more likely to be overlooked, undertagged, and forgotten.

Making them general tags also contradicts the nature of being general tags. Kiana Kaslana (White Comet) is not a "general outfit". It's not a uniform worn by an organization, it's an outfit unique to Kiana. You can't say it's "just a white bodysuit" either, because that ignores the other elements of the outfit. It's not just a generic white bodysuit, indistinguishable from any other. The design originates with Kiana Kaslana, and is specifically associated with her. Occasional fanart of other characters wearing the outfit doesn't change this.

Removing the tags is even worse, as it completely removes the ability to accurately and consistently find and tag these outfits. Generic gen tags are not a solution to this, as it is not "the uploader's responsibility" to make sure that every image they upload is tagged with every single possible gen tag that applies to the image. They're expected to tag it to the best of their ability, down to a bare minimum number of tags, and then other users can add or remove tags as necessary. You can never rely on a specific image to have always have all of the gen tags you think they should. Tags exists to make find the art you want easier, the battlesuit tags accomplish this in what I feel is the best possible approach, and removing the tags would actively inhibit this.

blindVigil said:

I disagree that adding info to the wiki would help on this matter. However, you shouldn't worry about the possibility of the Irene Adler (Honkai Impact) tag confussing people since everyone who has played the game knows about this difference, as for people who don't play the game then we could just add info to the tag's wiki like you suggested. This goes without saying but I don't expect people to tag stuff they have no knowledge of before researching a bit on the matter first. People who are just looking for some fan arts are not going to care.

About the part you say the game calls her Rita Rossweisse (Fallen Rosemary), I've already mentioned that's tied to a game mechanic and is irrelevant to our talk. Heck, even the company, miHoYo itself recognizes this difference just like with Zhuge Kongming. As the video mentions, she's not Rita, she's a totally different character who happens to look like her. We already know the game story calls her Irene Adler. So going by Danbooru's own rules that you yourself mentioned, the character I see in the image is Irene Adler, not Rita. Sorry if I sound aggressive, but a person who doesn't play the game has no say in this matter. As a side point, speaking of Danbooru's rules, that also brings into the conversation the fact that tagging clothes and armor as characters is basically against the rules.

Also the part about White Comet being an outfit unique to Kiana is blatantly false. You may argue that it originated with her but that doesn't the fact that it's actually a widely produced Valkyrie armor, which means other characters wearing it would not mean it's strictly cosplay. Most battlesuits are like this (if you want more info you can go to the wiki), not that anything previously mentioned matters anyway. Battlesuits are clothes and that's basically it.

My idea of turning battlesuit tags to general tags could make searching a little harder but I would gladly trade that in order to have stuff correctly tagged. So yeah, I'm still absolutely opposed to have battlesuits as character tags.

ManularChimera4 said:

Sorry if I sound aggressive, but a person who doesn't play the game has no say in this matter. As a side point, speaking of Danbooru's rules, that also brings into the conversation the fact that tagging clothes and armor as characters is basically against the rules.

I may not be someone that actually plays Honkai Impact 3rd, but if what you said is true, then Overwatch, League of Legends, Azur Lane, and especially Fate/Grand Order, among many, many others, need to have their tags corrected, for they have character tags for skins associated with a given character.

Of course, the argument to be made here is that in those cases, the clothes/armor in question are (generally) only available to that given character, so having those as a chartag makes it far more convenient.

F/GO does, however, have general tags for some attires, such as Spiritron Dresses, Mystic Codes and nearly all Craft Essences, but among the recent discussions, a discussion to make a gentag over a chartag for Ascensions found itself receiving mixed reception, as those supporting it to be a chartag believed that a) a gentag would get far more diluted due to it being shared by multiple characters; b) a gentag may provide false positives (in this case, someone searching kiana_kaslana white_comet could theoretically provide you with posts where another character is wearing the battlesuit, and not Kiana, and if you're a regular member, you can't add another tag to remove said character because you're limited to two tags per search); c) gentags can be often overlooked, though in this case such an issue could be partially remedied by including white_comet in her Wiki, allowing you to choose with whilst tagging, but you could still ignore that.

General Danbooru conventions do side with you (ala list_of_uniforms), to some degree (Monster Hunter literally having chartags for armor, and seemingly none for the player character), on having the battlesuits be made into general tags, especially if they aren't necessarily unique to said character, but due to Honkai being a mobile game with gacha elements, the discussion ends up slightly different. Which is why for the past week or so, there has been discussion outside this thread on that matter.

ManularChimera4 said:

This goes without saying but I don't expect people to tag stuff they have no knowledge of before researching a bit on the matter first.

Trust me when I say that you have not even seen the bare minimum some folks are willing to go down to. They'll only research as much as they'll need to, which is to say, what are the right tags, and how do you find out what they are as fast as possible. In that sense, the current chartags serve that purpose, given that their bare minimum research wouldn't show them the actual character name, but rather what they are called in-game, including the appropriate armor.

Folks upload stuff they barely have a clue on all the time.

Damian0358 said:

F/GO does, however, have general tags for some attires, such as Spiritron Dresses, Mystic Codes and nearly all Craft Essences, but among the recent discussions, a discussion to make a gentag over a chartag for Ascensions found itself receiving mixed reception, as those supporting it to be a chartag believed that a) a gentag would get far more diluted due to it being shared by multiple characters; b) a gentag may provide false positives (in this case, someone searching kiana_kaslana white_comet could theoretically provide you with posts where another character is wearing the battlesuit, and not Kiana, and if you're a regular member, you can't add another tag to remove said character because you're limited to two tags per search); c) gentags can be often overlooked, though in this case such an issue could be partially remedied by including white_comet in her Wiki, allowing you to choose with whilst tagging, but you could still ignore that.

General Danbooru conventions do side with you (ala list_of_uniforms), to some degree (Monster Hunter literally having chartags for armor, and seemingly none for the player character), on having the battlesuits be made into general tags, especially if they aren't necessarily unique to said character, but due to Honkai being a mobile game with gacha elements, the discussion ends up slightly different. Which is why for the past week or so, there has been discussion outside this thread on that matter.

Only middle point I could see is Danbooru having an extra tag type for clothes and armor especially made for gacha games, positioned under the character tag section.

ManularChimera4 said:

This goes without saying but I don't expect people to tag stuff they have no knowledge of before researching a bit on the matter first. People who are just looking for some fan arts are not going to care.

You really don't know how this site works if you genuinely believe that.

Sorry if I sound aggressive, but a person who doesn't play the game has no say in this matter. As a side point, speaking of Danbooru's rules, that also brings into the conversation the fact that tagging clothes and armor as characters is basically against the rules.

You don't get to decide that. I get just as much of a say in this as you do, because i use this site. This discussion is about what Danbooru should do, meaning every single user has a say in the outcome. And the outcome should benefit Danbooru and its users as a whole, not satisfy the whims of one person to the potential detriment of everyone else.

And no, it's not "basically against the rules." There is no explicitly accepted policy on how this situation should be resolved. It's not even limited to games, there are dozens of examples of character tags that are just for outfits. The very fact there's no policy for this kind of thing is why there's another thread you've been directed to multiple times dedicated to figuring out what to do for these kinds of things.

blindVigil said:

You don't get to decide that. I get just as much of a say in this as you do, because i use this site. This discussion is about what Danbooru should do, meaning every single user has a say in the outcome. And the outcome should benefit Danbooru and its users as a whole, not satisfy the whims of one person to the potential detriment of everyone else.

2 things: First, I wasn't talking about you discussing the tag issue but you talking about the game itself and its lore. Second, if you really think this would only benefit me alone then I don't know what to tell you. At any rate it seems we've already said everything we need to say.

blindVigil said:

And no, it's not "basically against the rules." There is no explicitly accepted policy on how this situation should be resolved. It's not even limited to games, there are dozens of examples of character tags that are just for outfits. The very fact there's no policy for this kind of thing is why there's another thread you've been directed to multiple times dedicated to figuring out what to do for these kinds of things.

I wasn't talking about that either. Anyway, I've been reading that thread since it was made and it seems everyone has different points of view on the matter, which is a problem. I'll probably post there soon to talk about some Honkai-related stuff.

Forgive me if I'm missing something in this discussion, but if the characters have armor that is shared across different characters, then the armor itself should get its own tag, rather than the character wearing the armor. Fate is different because each costume is restricted to its own character, but any other franchise having shared armor typically has a tag for each armor (first example that comes to mind is gold saint, which refers to the gold armor from Saint Seiya).

In fact, for Fate itself we have the various Heroic Spirit general tags because those outfits are shared across characters.

Or am I misunderstanding this topic's arguments?