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kiyah123 said:

I realise that but what I meant was that most of the images under oonusa has what looks like a single piece of paper attached to it (e.g. post #2563729) yet wikipedia says that 'It is decorated with many shide' just like in post #2587183.

I think that's probably a mistagging, but it's a shame that the difference between oonusa and gohei isn't well defined. The wand Kochiya Sanae is holding there is gohei, not oonusa, since oonusa/haraegushi (hexagonal wand) have many shide attached.

Heck, even the English wikipedia isn't clear about it -- I found a better definition on Kokugakuin's Encyclopedia of Shinto:

From here:

A kind of ritual wand, one type of heihaku, also called heisoku. Gohei were originally identical to cloth offerings called mitegura, but the term gradually came to be used in its present, narrower sense. Gohei are made by attaching zig-zag cut strips of gold, silver, white or multicolored (five-color) paper to a staff (called a heigushi) made of bamboo or other wood. Previously, offerings of cloth were presented to the kami by attaching them to a staff, and today's gohei is a variation of this. Rectangular paper was first used, but the custom later developed of attaching streamers called shide to the sides. Gohei began as offerings to the kami and were placed deep within the sanctuary. They came to be used as mishōtai, objects in which the spirit of the kami resided, were placed before the kami as a decoration in the same way as mirrors, or were used as implements to purify worshipers at the shrine.

And as for oonusa:

From here

An honorific for the more common nusa, a ritual purification wand. Wands presented when invoking the kami or when exorcising sins or imperfections (tsumi) were called nusa, and made primarily from the inner bast of paper mulberry (yū), fibers of flax (asa), and, later, from woven fabrics and paper. In his Kojikiden, Motoori Norinaga defined ōnusa as divine offerings of silk, yū, or flax. One ancient usage can be seen in Kojiki's record of Emperor Chūai, in which an ōnusa was used in the Great Purification Ritual (ōharae). Ōnusa used in purification rituals may be made of linen or paper streamers (shide) attached to a branch of the sakaki tree, or the streamers may be attached to a hexagonal or octagonal staff of unfinished wood (the latter type is also called haraegushi). In ancient times, a person undergoing purification held the ōnusa in hand in order to transfer sins (tsumi) and pollutions (kegare) to it, or the ōnusa was waved (left, right, left) over the object to be purified. In later times, however, it became standard to wave the ōnusa over the person or object. See also heihaku.

I'm of the mindset that oonusas are a type of gohei (just with many shide attached;3+) and should be implicated as such, but it isn't all too well defined to our users.

Another discussion relevant in comments is post #781284.

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kiyah123

I see. I suppose uploaders see that the wiki for Kochiya Sanae says that her 'gohei is of the oonusa variety' and proceed to tag their uploads with gohei and oonusa, however I wonder why this conclusion in the wiki was made in the first place. Perhaps we should remove this from the wiki?

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kiyah123 said:

I see. I suppose uploaders see that the wiki for Kochiya Sanae says that her 'gohei is of the oonusa variety' and proceed to tag their uploads with gohei and oonusa, however I wonder why this conclusion in the wiki was made in the first place. Perhaps we should remove this from the wiki?

Yup, I say it should be edited for more clarity. I'm sure that there are some images where Kochiya Sanae is actually holding an oonusa, but there are many where she's just wielding an old-fashioned gohei with a rectangular/square piece of paper attached.

I'll go ahead and open an implication for it, on that note. I don't want to clog up this thread too much.

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kuuderes_shadow said:

edit: Also, should items that look like cellphone straps be tagged as such even when tied to something completely different?

I would, conceptually it's the same thing. post #1723668 comes to mind. It's more useful to tag such things and rename the tag if necessary than to not tag them at all.

EDIT: wait, cellphone strap and cellphone charm are separate tags. Is there a difference or should this be aliased?

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I say alias. If there is a difference it's probably miniscule -- only case I can think of where a charm =/= strap is if it's some sort of sticker, but that isn't accurate either.

EDIT: And I changed my opinion on the matter after seeing below. orz

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