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Loli/shota check thread.

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blindVigil said:

Unless I'm misremembering, child isn't allowed on anything not rated G, regardless of context.

The highest scoring post in the child tag (and second highest scoring post period) is an explicit animation in a similar vein: post #3410029. In fact there are over 100 posts in the rating:explicit child search. It feels a bit weird to put something like post #7786072 in the loli tag, it works for hiding the post from the general public but would be annoying for anyone who uses the tag to actually search. There probably should be something done about it though.

Rat_Rat_Rat said:

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2196052
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8346271

Tagged

Rat_Rat_Rat said:

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8349795

Grey area, need more opinions. This one isn't going quite as far as a post that would clearly qualify and might have merit for remaining untagged.

I reviewed the other posts and don't personally see any cause to individually call them out. They're official game CG shots that have received ESRB M and CERO D ratings already, which I feel is fine to list them here as they are.

nareehS said:

plz ignore, I searched up Anya Belrory and loli and turns out she is tagged as such

It doesn't matter what a character has been tagged with previously, it matters what they look like in the posts being tagged.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8353598 doesn't show enough to identify her as a loli and https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8353622 on top of not really being that sexual looks to me like it leans more into shortstack territory than it does loli.

wispydreamer said:

The highest scoring post in the child tag (and second highest scoring post period) is an explicit animation in a similar vein: post #3410029. In fact there are over 100 posts in the rating:explicit child search. It feels a bit weird to put something like post #7786072 in the loli tag, it works for hiding the post from the general public but would be annoying for anyone who uses the tag to actually search. There probably should be something done about it though.

Does something really need to be done about it? Does post #7786072 really need to be hidden from the general public?

Nonamethanks himself tagged post #3410029 with child and it's never been tagged loli, to me that looks like a signal that it's a-okay.
Then again, evazion tagged post #5329038 with child just two months before saying

Ideally the child tag would be 100% safe. I'm talking safe enough to show your mother. This does leave a gap where something might not be suggestive enough for loli, but too suggestive for child. I have no solution for this other than to say: don't go around tagging child on everything and forcing my hand.

So maybe we should "do as they say, not as they do".

blindVigil said:

Unless I'm misremembering, child isn't allowed on anything not rated G, regardless of context.

I thought so too until now. If I were to hazard a guess as to what is going on, I'd imagine that that was a missed nuance because of the bias towards 1girl solo on danbooru, and what was actually meant is that the appearance of the child specifically in the image must be "G-worthy", and not necessarily the image as a whole.
Maybe another, clearer admin statement is needed.

viliml said:

Does something really need to be done about it? Does post #7786072 really need to be hidden from the general public?

No. The child is not sexualized in any way so adding loli would be bad tagging practice regardless of its status as a censored tag. If we don’t want these to show up in child searches, the best solution would simply be to remove the tag.

Nonamethanks himself tagged post #3410029 with child and it's never been tagged loli, to me that looks like a signal that it's a-okay.
Then again, evazion tagged post #5329038 with child just two months before saying

So maybe we should "do as they say, not as they do".

Evazion tagged that post two years ago, not two months. And it was a couple days before topic #21157 was started, which was a bit before the G rating was created and S posts could be tagged with loli.

Also, admins can make mistakes just like everyone else. We should not automatically assume an admin tagging something contrary to policy means there was a change in said policy.

I thought so too until now. If I were to hazard a guess as to what is going on, I'd imagine that that was a missed nuance because of the bias towards 1girl solo on danbooru, and what was actually meant is that the appearance of the child specifically in the image must be "G-worthy", and not necessarily the image as a whole.
Maybe another, clearer admin statement is needed.

I strongly believe that is the case. All of the conversations about this I’ve seen were held with the context being sexualized children. If we were to follow the “child is G only” rule all the way, we would be removing it from posts that have a higher rating due to violence or death (post #7324856), or because there are older characters in swimsuits (post #7963236). Remember that it doesn’t take much for a post to be rated S even when the characters are all adults.

Now about voyeurism, one could make the argument that the kids are engaged in a sex act even if they’re only peeping, and thus not eligible for child. It would be good to get a clear statement on those images, and whether posts presenting it as purely comical instead of sexy (like Crayon Shin-chan) would get a pass.

lopi999 said:

Is this one really a loli? post #3409137

No.

Blank_User said:

No. The child is not sexualized in any way so adding loli would be bad tagging practice regardless of its status as a censored tag. If we don’t want these to show up in child searches, the best solution would simply be to remove the tag.

Evazion tagged that post two years ago, not two months. And it was a couple days before topic #21157 was started, which was a bit before the G rating was created and S posts could be tagged with loli.

Also, admins can make mistakes just like everyone else. We should not automatically assume an admin tagging something contrary to policy means there was a change in said policy.

I strongly believe that is the case. All of the conversations about this I’ve seen were held with the context being sexualized children. If we were to follow the “child is G only” rule all the way, we would be removing it from posts that have a higher rating due to violence or death (post #7324856), or because there are older characters in swimsuits (post #7963236). Remember that it doesn’t take much for a post to be rated S even when the characters are all adults.

Now about voyeurism, one could make the argument that the kids are engaged in a sex act even if they’re only peeping, and thus not eligible for child. It would be good to get a clear statement on those images, and whether posts presenting it as purely comical instead of sexy (like Crayon Shin-chan) would get a pass.

~child ~loli ~shota doesn't need to have 100% coverage. There can be cases where loli and shota don't apply, but where it's not suitable to be tagged with child either. The problem with child was that it was used as a proxy for loli and shota (similar to how petite may sometimes be used), along with it just being a bad look to see a "child having sex". Mild violence shouldn't (IMO) count against child, it's about sexualization or sex acts, but I agree with your point about voyeurism. In that case I would just add neither child nor loli/shota.