Donmai

Loli/shota check thread.

Posted under General

Blank_User said:

I removed the tag. The only thing I see is his hand on her thigh, but it's a bit of a stretch to conclude it's sexual.

I think the implication that she's about to trade a sexual favor for Diluc to shut down his winery is plenty sexual. The finger lightly pushing against her shorts doesn't help. Or what exactly do think this very suspicious exchange between a guy and a small girl straddling his lap is?

blindVigil said:

I think the implication that she's about to trade a sexual favor for Diluc to shut down his winery is plenty sexual. The finger lightly pushing against her shorts doesn't help. Or what exactly do think this very suspicious exchange between a guy and a small girl straddling his lap is?

I'm agreeing that there is definitely some pretty direct sexual connotation, but isn't that exactly what the "Sensitive" rating is for?
Like, from the wiki: rating:sensitive - Ecchi, sexy, suggestive, or mildly erotic. Skimpy or revealing clothes, swimsuits, underwear, images focused on the breasts or ass, and anything else potentially not safe for work.
And, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't a condition for a loli tag that the picture is rated explicit/questionable, or am I just remembering this wrong??

Like, I think we all agree that this is definitely some sort of edge case, don't get me wrong.

CasualStan said:

I'm agreeing that there is definitely some pretty direct sexual connotation, but isn't that exactly what the "Sensitive" rating is for?
Like, from the wiki: rating:sensitive - Ecchi, sexy, suggestive, or mildly erotic. Skimpy or revealing clothes, swimsuits, underwear, images focused on the breasts or ass, and anything else potentially not safe for work.
And, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't a condition for a loli tag that the picture is rated explicit/questionable, or am I just remembering this wrong??

Like, I think we all agree that this is definitely some sort of edge case, don't get me wrong.

Sensitive images can be tagged loli/shota. The old "always rate loli/shota Q/E" was because there was no rating between the old Safe and Questionable, and it wouldn't make sense to rate those things as Safe, so loli/shota were tagged minimum Questionable by default. That doesn't really apply anymore with the new Sensitive rating, and it was decided a little while back that loli/shota can be anything but General.

Ratings are not an alternative to tags. Something isn't not loli just because it's not explicit enough for a rating higher than Sensitive.

blindVigil said:

Sensitive images can be tagged loli/shota. The old "always rate loli/shota Q/E" was because there was no rating between the old Safe and Questionable, and it wouldn't make sense to rate those things as Safe, so loli/shota were tagged minimum Questionable by default. That doesn't really apply anymore with the new Sensitive rating, and it was decided a little while back that loli/shota can be anything but General.

Thanks for the correction, then I didn't catch that, or the maybe someone else missed it and I picked it up from them.
In this case, I think it should be pretty clear that this picture needs the tag, by the rules that you just mentioned, if I understand ypu correctly. I mean, it's definitely not not suggestive, IMHO.

CasualStan said:

Thanks for the correction, then I didn't catch that, or the maybe someone else missed it and I picked it up from them.
In this case, I think it should be pretty clear that this picture needs the tag, by the rules that you just mentioned, if I understand ypu correctly. I mean, it's definitely not not suggestive, IMHO.

I should also mention that there is a grey area, where something is Sensitive and thus too suggestive for child, but not quite suggestive enough to justify tagging loli, leaving those images sort of lost between the two lines. It is possible this image fits there, I just don't personally think so. The implied context seems too sexual, to me.

blindVigil said:

I should also mention that there is a grey area, where something is Sensitive and thus too suggestive for child, but not quite suggestive enough to justify tagging loli, leaving those images sort of lost between the two lines. It is possible this image fits there, I just don't personally think so. The implied context seems too sexual, to me.

Thanks for the thorough explanation, it makes sense that every categorisation system of this nature has some cases like this. Especially in erotic content, if you forgive me being explicit (like, there are for example a lot of arguments about if something is blue or green, but those are naturally not as loaded as what we are discussing here).

I'm definitely with you in that this picture does strongly suggest a sexual theme, especially since other context explanations don't apply - this isn't a family context for example, where such a pose might be odd but completely harmless (or not, but there is at least a case to be made).
So yeah, I'm leaning towards your interpretation, but its definitely an edge case.

blindVigil said:

I think the implication that she's about to trade a sexual favor for Diluc to shut down his winery is plenty sexual. The finger lightly pushing against her shorts doesn't help. Or what exactly do think this very suspicious exchange between a guy and a small girl straddling his lap is?

This was one of those cases that sounded to me like it could be interpreted as sexual, but more subtle than what would normally apply. Diluc looks more exhausted than horny, which made me further give that post the benefit of the doubt and consider it to be in that grey area.

I did not notice the finger was going up her shorts before. That makes it much harder to interpret it as anything but sexual, so I now agree it deserves the loli tag.

post #7055180

Found this image and found it weird that it was rated G. I tagged it with 'imminent rape' at least, given the spoken implication and original pixiv tags. (It's at least /something/ for users to filter out this kind of content.)

Is it correct for images like this to be tagged as General, anyway? Given the fact works can be tagged as Sensitive if there are "Implied sexual situations", does text/dialogue (that doesn't have cussing) also count as an implication that can bump up the rating?

And would something like this count as loli? Or does it have to be based off visuals alone, rather than spoken implication?

Ourobouro said:

post #7055180

Found this image and found it weird that it was rated G. I tagged it with 'imminent rape' at least, given the spoken implication and original pixiv tags. (It's at least /something/ for users to filter out this kind of content.)

Is it correct for images like this to be tagged as General, anyway? Given the fact works can be tagged as Sensitive if there are "Implied sexual situations", does text/dialogue (that doesn't have cussing) also count as an implication that can bump up the rating?

And would something like this count as loli? Or does it have to be based off visuals alone, rather than spoken implication?

Yes. Language alluding to blatantly sexual topics is enough to qualify for S. And since it's heavily implied that something will happen to that girl, it should probably be tagged with loli.

I'm not sure why the imminent rape tag was removed. Maybe the user that removed it thought the situation was too mild to for it to apply. However, it's not much different from post #3956699 and it has the tag, but considering who the guy on top is...

In any case, imminent rape should definitely not be used with G.

jurassicparklionkingfan said:

should post #7831105 be tagged loli? Chibiusa is generally seen as a loli and she appears as such here, but I wanted to make sure because a contributor suggested I ask about it.

Good question. I'd be on the safe side and mark it as loli.