gender tagging on cosplay photo

ANON_TOKYO said:

This is an extremely subjective measure that also doesn't even work when things such as tomboys exist.

I don't know why you wrote this, because this is also an extremely subjective measure that also doesn't even work when things such as bishounen exist. This was just my humorous comment on LQ's pointless question.

ANON_TOKYO said:

What kind of culture war are you imagining. The site is 20 years old, society is going to change no matter how conservative you may be.

Most of the East Asians, i.e. those we all worship here, do not share your opinion in the "changing society" and do not take their opinion into account in favor of yours... Just why?

Society certainly changes, but the terms do not. There is no difference between trap 20 years ago and trap today, especially when it comes to anime. Just as it meant a biological male trying to be like a girl back then, it still means the same thing today.

I don't like cosplay photos but it sets a bad example to tag based on what you think you know over what can be actually seen.

The people who want these cosplayers tagged as girls & Yuri will have a field day with Ikemeru19 if his pictures were posted on this site.

Even though he looks like a girl, has breast, and draws a ton of futanari fetish porn, he identifies as a man. Just go look at his Instagram. He has even made a doujinshi of himself explicitly tagged as otokonoko and crossdressing.

I don't think wanting to tag these cosplayers as girls & Yuri is coming from an honest & genuine place. I have looked at both of their Twitter accounts and they do not seem to care this much as people are making it out to believe on here. In fact I see more tweets calling themselves "男" which means male.

It's really not that deep bro.

There's obvious western activist here who really think our view of gender is the same as Japan's but then get absolutely stunted when they come across the majority of Japanese Bridget fan artist still calling him an otokonoko.

In fact, it's quite difficult to find Japanese people call Lily from zombieland saga, a supposed "trans woman" in the west call them trans in Japan. They're almost always included into the otokonoko pile.

NerveControl said:

The face of the guy dressed as Remilia is no different from the face of a normal Asian male idol.

Putting the personal history of these two cosplayers aside, there are plenty of cisgender women who naturally have more "masculine" features. The recent Olympics comes to mind (along with all the very normal comments online about it). By this logic, a photo like this one might be tagged 3girls 1boy, or even 2girls 2boys. Which would be incorrect.

All this over a post that isn't even active.

it appears that the two use female gender markers on their xiaohongshu profiles

Ylimegirl said:

Putting the personal history of these two cosplayers aside, there are plenty of cisgender women who naturally have more "masculine" features. The recent Olympics comes to mind (along with all the very normal comments online about it). By this logic, a photo like this one might be tagged 3girls 1boy, or even 2girls 2boys. Which would be incorrect.

All this over a post that isn't even active.

I already mentioned in the messages above that it was a humorous comment. No need to prove anything specific about it.
You are substituting concepts, but I will explain how it works.

Hint: Watch the bold text

Woman -> looks like a woman -> tagged as woman
Woman -> looks like a man -> tagged as woman
Man -> looks like a man -> tagged as man
Man -> looks like a woman -> tagged as man

everything in the middle doesn't matter. (the unchanging meaning of the term trap)

It doesn't come across as either humorous or satirical. You do need to work on your wording because when you don't make it apparent right away that it's a joke or whatever (which isn't even productive in this thread), it causes people to misunderstand you, and then it provokes you into getting passive aggressive - this isn't a new thing for you, which is probably why you are constantly at war with Gex here and on Discord.

This is normally why people attach "/j" at the end of their sentence to indicate it's a joke because context clues are lost especially over long-form text like Danbooru forums. You're getting defensive over someone taking your comment at face value because the way you wrote it doesn't come off as a joke, even if that was your intention. You need to be clearer or find a better way to convey it.

Since it's in the middle of a serious conversation, the threshold for how much it takes to understand that you're being satirical is a bit higher.

There will also be many cases where we'll not know the gender of the cosplayer or character, so you'd have to go by whether it looks like a girl or boy. It'd be weird and confusing to change the tags later based on omake information, rather than leaving it as what we see.

I also don't think it makes a difference whether it's a cosplay photo or a 2D character cosplaying another character; it's the same thing either way.

LQ said:
It'd be weird and confusing to change the tags later based on omake information, rather than leaving it as what we see.

If it's simply not known then there's no issue tagging as you see, any more than giving a temporary name to some OC or newly revealed character and updating it later. The dispute, as it was with Bridget, is whether claims of gender identity or transitioning have any relevance to applying the basic sex tags.

LQ said:
I also don't think it makes a difference whether it's a cosplay photo or a 2D character cosplaying another character; it's the same thing either way.

This is probably worth its own topic, I don't have strong opinions of it either way.