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The pool suffers from a bit of bloat atm. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've seen rating:g hetero artwork isn't usually aimed at a specific gender, and when it is it tends to be with self-insert characters, male/female pov, etc. The pool's guidelines should be updated to account for this.
Something like this:
• Rating:S and above only (excluding self-insert characters, female pov, and faceless females)
Any thoughts?
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I think you meant “Rating:S and above,” assuming you’re referring to Q and E.
I don’t think such a guideline is necessary. Just because certain posts tend to fit a pattern doesn’t mean we should automatically exclude posts that deviate from it. That’s like saying kiwis aren’t birds because most birds can fly. If a post fits the criteria (assuming the criteria are reasonable), then it belongs in the pool.
stupid pet pool imo; would get rid of it. should be able to find similar images with a search, and it will never be anywhere close to complete. too opinion-based
and I don't like the clause discouraging unexaggerated proportions or the one outright preventing futa/loli/shota
restricting it further by rating would be bad, methinks, and you can just add -rating:g to your search?
personally, I think most of the rating:g posts in the pool have the same appeal as the other posts (both for sexual arousal and not), and blanket-removing a rating would also remove a lot of mistagged posts (e.g. shirtless men rated G)
G and S are similar enough that I would only be OK (barely) with changing it if S were removed too, such that the pool is only for Q and E posts
LQ said:
stupid pet pool imo; would get rid of it. should be able to find similar images with a search, and it will never be anywhere close to complete. too opinion-based
There was some discussion over whether the pool should be deleted starting at forum #261437.
personally, I think most of the rating:g posts in the pool have the same appeal as the other posts (both for sexual arousal and not), and blanket-removing a rating would also remove a lot of mistagged posts (e.g. shirtless men rated G)
If there are misrated posts, they can be fixed before adding the restriction. Any posts with shirtless men that actually qualify for G should be safe to remove.
The pool is for romantic or sexual posts. The two overlap a lot, but that doesn't mean non-sexual posts should be excluded.
Hell, most of the G posts shouldn't be G in the first place.
I also agree about allowing futa/loli/shota posts in the pool. User can exclude these in their search if they don't want to see them. There is no need to be restrictive about an already niche topic.
stupid pet pool imo; would get rid of it. should be able to find similar images with a search, and it will never be anywhere close to complete. too opinion-based
and I don't like the clause discouraging unexaggerated proportions or the one outright preventing futa/loli/shota
restricting it further by rating would be bad, methinks, and you can just add -rating:g to your search?
personally, I think most of the rating:g posts in the pool have the same appeal as the other posts (both for sexual arousal and not), and blanket-removing a
rating would also remove a lot of mistagged posts (e.g. shirtless men rated G)
G and S are similar enough that I would only be OK (barely) with changing it if S were removed too, such that the pool is only for Q and E posts
Collection pools are by definition subjective (to an extent), otherwise we would've made a tag instead. A majority of the content on site is male-oriented, so female-oriented content rating:s and above is extremely difficult to search for. Even disregarding the 2-tag limit for member-level users, adding a ton of negatives like -faceless_male -head_out_of_frame -ugly_man -disembodied_penis doesn't work at all. Adding bishounen to to your search excludes men that don't fit into that category. Hetero + male focus only includes posts where the female is out of frame.
The pool is for romantic or sexual posts. The two overlap a lot, but that doesn't mean non-sexual posts should be excluded.
Hell, most of the G posts shouldn't be G in the first place.
Romantic or sexual posts geared towards a female audience. Stuff like post #7923580, post #478907, or post #7372033 aren't geared towards any specific gender imo, just anyone who likes the ship. Stuff like post #8567153 or post #8433469 are what I'd consider geared towards women as you're meant to project onto the girl. Characters like lumine or the protagonist from love and deepspace serve as stand-ins for the player. I don't intend to exclude rating:g outright, but instead limit it to certain types of posts. If we do implement the rule, all misrated posts will be correctly rated before removing anything. I'm also ok with a rule like this instead:
• Preferably rating:S and above only (excluding self-insert characters, female pov, and faceless females)
That way we aren't completely excluding rating:g posts that don't fall into the categories above but are still heavily geared towards a female audience.
Other than that, I do agree on allowing loli/shota. The rules were copy-pasted from 4chan where loli/shota is banned (?) but it shouldn't apply to Danbooru.
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LQ said:
stupid pet pool imo; would get rid of it. should be able to find similar images with a search, and it will never be anywhere close to complete. too opinion-based
If you terrorists get your way Danbooru will have removed pools altogether, removing utility from the site for no actual benefit. Yes, it's a subjective pool. So is every pool that isn't a compilation of manga pages. As a passive browser of Danbooru, I've noticed there's a tendency for active contributors to casually suggest nuking stuff from the site all the time and I don't understand why. It makes the site worse when you remove ways for people to find content suited for them. Bonus points to the other linked thread suggesting deletion, where somebody wanted to nuke it because they didn't understand that "Female Gaze" was not about where the female character in the artwork is looking.
and it will never be anywhere close to complete
There is no such thing as "to be complete", it's a pool, not a tag. For that matter, there's not a single tag on the website that is or will ever be complete, but that's not even a goal to begin with for a pool. From the Help:pools page defining their purpose:
Another use of pools is for collections of posts that share a common, subjective theme.
That's it. They're just a loose collection of subjective posts.
should be able to find similar images with a search
Female Gaze Hetero is probably the most useful pool on the entire site in enabling people to find content that is otherwise unsearchable. The previous post already covered it, but I would love for you to suggest a tag combination that covers the majority of posts in the pool without diluting it with 95% male-gaze hetero in the process.
Dogbooru said:
• Preferably rating:S and below only (excluding self-insert characters, female pov, and faceless females)
That way we aren't completely excluding rating:g posts that don't fall into the categories above but are still heavily geared towards a female audience.
Again, if you want the pool to lean more towards NSFW stuff, it should say “rating:s and above,” not “below.” Q is higher than S, and E is higher than Q. This is how users talk about ratings here. Your proposed wording will have the opposite effect of what you intended.
I think it's a fantastic pool for a concept that would be completely unsearchable without the pool. It should definitely stay.
But I do agree that it can be a bit bloated, especially with images that have too much focus on the woman. A bit of gardening would probably be a good idea.
I don't really see why loli/shota should be excluded, since they're clearly hetero, but futa definitely should remain excluded.
Dogbooru said:
Romantic or sexual posts geared towards a female audience. Stuff like post #7923580, post #478907, or post #7372033 aren't geared towards any specific gender imo, just anyone who likes the ship. Stuff like post #8567153 or post #8433469 are what I'd consider geared towards women as you're meant to project onto the girl. Characters like lumine or the protagonist from love and deepspace serve as stand-ins for the player.
As you said pools are subjective, but what is and isn't intended for women is splitting hairs here.
As long as the male is having equal or more focus is plenty enough.
Since we both agree about allowing loli/shota stuff I'd like @Mark_Schallen and @tapnek to chime in on this.
im guessing the reason why lolishota is not allowed in the pool is because holy fuck is it hard to find female-oriented hetero material on this site
danbooru has always been a male-leaning archive, and hetero, futanari, loli are overwhelmingly in that direction
women get really fucked over in terms of searching for hetero art of a male character, especially if that male doesn't fit into bishounen, otoko no ko, bara, etc (shota is by no means a "normie" fetish for women either)
out of all our pools, this is basically the only one that i've seen people on other websites actually talk about how good it is
Saying pegging is the same thing as futa is like saying using a dildo is the same as penis insertion.
I promise you there are plenty of people into femdom/pegging who would very much dislike futanari. i assume, as an ace person idk much abt specific kinks or how sex works with allo ppl
LQ said:
Most tags and pools are nigh complete.
This pool is almost 2 years old at this point and it has surpassed pools that have been here for years. I can see it surpassing disgustingly adorable in a year or two.
LQ said:
Most tags and pools are nigh complete.
This could not be further from the truth. Pick any common tag and you'll be able to find thousands more images that that tag could be applied to rather trivially. For an instant demonstration that I picked at random -- search for "kirisame_marisa hat -black_hat". Almost 14,000 results, and from a quick glance you can verify that the vast majority of the images do in fact contain a black hat despite missing the tag. In fact, the number of images missing the tag substantially outweigh the number of hits from from "kirisame_marisa black_hat", despite it being a signature part of her outfit.
M28 said:
As you said pools are subjective, but what is and isn't intended for women is splitting hairs here.
As long as the male is having equal or more focus is plenty enough.Since we both agree about allowing loli/shota stuff I'd like @Mark_Schallen and @tapnek to chime in on this.
Maybe it's because I morally object to it, but I'm not too comfortable allowing loli and shota. Kodomo doushi covers just about all the the stuff between those two that this pool can cover ("attractive" male, focused female) and onee-shota is primarily a female dominance tag involving not-ugly boys (couple cases with faceless boys dominating the older woman aside but that can be covered by shotadom). Maybe you would have a case with age_difference loli hetero since most posts under that search involve faceless or ugly men.
But if others agree to having loli and shota in the pool again, I won't object to that.
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