Rating:G in Female Gaze Hetero pool

tapnek said:

Maybe it's because I morally object to it, but I'm not too comfortable allowing loli and shota. Kodomo doushi covers just about all the the stuff between those two that this pool can cover ("attractive" male, focused female) and onee-shota is primarily a female dominance tag involving not-ugly boys (couple cases with faceless boys dominating the older woman aside but that can be covered by shotadom). Maybe you would have a case with age_difference loli hetero since most posts under that search involve faceless or ugly men.

But if others agree to having loli and shota in the pool again, I won't object to that.

I don't really care that much for shota stuff, but I'd like loli posts like post #344172 to be in the pool.

Users can filter out posts they don't want to see through black lists and exclude tags in their search.

So that leaves us with futa and really there's a handful posts that would fit the criteria of the pool and if others still object to it then I won't push it further.

M28 said:

So that leaves us with futa and really there's a handful posts that would fit the criteria of the pool and if others still object to it then I won't push it further.

The only posts from that favgroup i'd consider apply are post #6076131 and post #366900 maybe also the ayaka/heizou, stelle/sampo and zhongli/lumine posts. not 100% sure
For some of those posts it's geniuenly incredible that you think they apply for a female gaze pool

At first the pool was questionable, but now that it's grown and is actually useful, it should 100% stay

i support this concept's existence, regardless of its status as a tag or as a pool, and regardless of whether it includes currently forbidden or questionable content (rating:g, pegging, futanari, loli, shota) or not, however i do agree the favgroup is certainly dominated by posts that should not apply under any circumstances

The reason i'm making this pool is to just gather post of couples being lovey dovey, being apart from the faceless_men slop. The pool originated from a thread in 4chan /h/ with the same name. I just followed the general brushstrokes from there. What they don't allow includes : Futanari, lolishota (because 4chan forbids them), non sexual images (because it's on an adult board), among other things. I want to stick to them as much as possible, because they're the original one.

I think it should embody the spirit of Yumejoshi. That's the name they're using in the 4chan thread. I made the pool in hope that yumejos would use the pool as they see fit. I don't really have more to say other than that.

yumejoshi is more often, though not always, associated with female oc x canon, regardless of the canon character's gender. it's not inherently hetero, and it's not inherently every possible type of content that women would be likely enjoy, it's specifically self-shipping (though it includes otome games and inserting oneself over canon female characters, too). post #8559900 was tagged with "リ夢バス" (li-yume-bus, a pun on "limbus company yume") by the artist, and it's yuri

it might be relevant here that we were trying to deal with the, quote, "faceless_men slop" in topic #30098, though simply creating a tag for it is not quite a replacement for a pool/tag for the opposite (that is, hetero content with attractive men)

tapnek said:

Kodomo doushi covers just about all the the stuff between those two that this pool can cover ("attractive" male, focused female)

I'm sorry, what? I'm having trouble understanding your argument here. You're saying that only loli x shota can be female gaze? How do you even come to that conclusion? I'd sooner argue for the exact opposite. Why would women find shotas attractive...?

There's a ton of female gaze onii-loli. Like everything in nakamura_kanko sanger_zonvolt as just one example. There are SO many female artists who self-insert as lolis in relationships with attractive older men.

viliml said:

... Why would women find shotas attractive...?

This entire pool is outside of my expertise in general, but on this I can comment that many, many do. Hell, even a bunch of pure yuri artists I follow express shotacon tendencies at times. Implying shotacon isn't something for women is just wrong.

Still, from my outsider perspective, I don't think G or lolisho should be excluded, but I'm not going to argue for any specific consensus.

viliml said:

I'm sorry, what? I'm having trouble understanding your argument here. You're saying that only loli x shota can be female gaze? How do you even come to that conclusion? I'd sooner argue for the exact opposite. Why would women find shotas attractive...?

There's a ton of female gaze onii-loli. Like everything in nakamura_kanko sanger_zonvolt as just one example. There are SO many female artists who self-insert as lolis in relationships with attractive older men.

I was more talking about the loli x shota stuff. Rarely do you find an ugly or faceless boy on a young girl under kodomo doushi. Same but to a lesser degree with younger boys with older women since its easier to find nondescript boys manhandling and/or assaulting the women. And I'm not gonna argue against the onii-loli argument since I can't find a remotely pragmatic counter to that.

Heck, I'd even remove "hetero" from the pool name because it can just be searched by the 'hetero' tag (or other relationships can be excluded).

Though there isn't really a way to search for "relationships", so that would also just invite a ton of pinup posts of all genders (though stuff women would typically find attractive). Tough one. Still, it could be called "female gaze romance" / -love, or something like that.

LQ said:

Heck, I'd even remove "hetero" from the pool name because it can just be searched by the 'hetero' tag (or other relationships can be excluded).

Though there isn't really a way to search for "relationships", so that would also just invite a ton of pinup posts of all genders (though stuff women would typically find attractive). Tough one. Still, it could be called "female gaze romance" / -love, or something like that.

It's a lot easier to find female gaze solo art here, there wouldn't be that much of a difference of a general "female gaze" pool as male_focus -bara. It's female gaze hetero specifically because there isn't a need for an incredibly long search string that often fails because of lack of tagging to find the other main kind of female gaze post.
Also, you didn't bring it up specifically but I don't think yuri art should be included at all because it's difficult to differentiate male gaze vs female gaze yuri, and the ones that are differentiable are usually served by the new oc x canon tag and the faceless female tag for mob yuri.