Donmai

Flash and Ruffle

Posted under General

We have a not insignificant number of Flash files on the site. With the Ruffle emulator, either as a script included by the site or as a plugin for the user's browser, it's possible to play some, but not all, of the flashes.

I think that it would be helpful for any users who have the plugin, or for anybody if in the future Danbooru decides to include Ruffle on the site, to have a meta tag indicating flashes that function properly with Ruffle.

Thoughts?

Newgrounds and Internet Archive uses it. This would be a great extension to the website. I don't think a tag is necessary though. Just put a warning on the page for flash posts that the content may or may not play properly.

tapnek said:

Newgrounds and Internet Archive uses it. This would be a great extension to the website. I don't think a tag is necessary though. Just put a warning on the page for flash posts that the content may or may not play properly.

It would still be helpful to have a tag indicating it works if it works. So y'know, a user wouldn't spend ten minutes trying to find one that works manually.

+1
To be fair, there are flashes that get booted up with ruffle, but don't run properly. I ran into a couple that could cause a seizure, so if Ruffle gets added, i'd add a warning that the flash may or may not play, or not make a bot automate the tagging process.
That said, Ruffle is making constant progress, and i think it's better to use it than not.

Ruffle has been added. There are some known limitations:

  • Not all Flash files will work. Ruffle has very limited support for ActionScript 3, which I think is what many games are written in.
  • Your browser may freeze up for a long time while loading large Flash files.

I know it may be silly, but I would appreciate an option to turn off Ruffle. While flash is technically deprecated most places, I still am able to use it because of Palemoon browser and would appreciate being able to run files without needing to have ruffle break my browser first.

MistahM said:

I know it may be silly, but I would appreciate an option to turn off Ruffle. While flash is technically deprecated most places, I still am able to use it because of Palemoon browser and would appreciate being able to run files without needing to have ruffle break my browser first.

You should switch to a browser that fully supports modern JS: if ruffle breaks Palemoon here it also breaks Newgrounds and any other site out there that uses it.

Given the lack of any stable versioning on the Ruffle software so far, are there any plans to regularly update the alpha build that we're officially using (which dates all the way back to March, at the time I'm writing this)? I know ActionScript 3 support is still a ways off from even being usable, but we still might get some performance improvements here and there and there's also a few neat features that have already been added to the upstream codebase, like playback controls in the context menu. Once a month would probably be enough to keep it relatively up-to-date with the latest significant improvements.

MistahM said:

I know it may be silly, but I would appreciate an option to turn off Ruffle. While flash is technically deprecated most places, I still am able to use it because of Palemoon browser and would appreciate being able to run files without needing to have ruffle break my browser first.

Have you considered using Adobe's still-supported Flash Player Projector? It lets you download and use the Flash posts on this site without needing to run them in an outdated and/or insecure browser (not that I'm accusing Palemon of being either, but still)...

Insanity_Demon said:

Have you considered using Adobe's still-supported Flash Player Projector? It lets you download and use the Flash posts on this site without needing to run them in an outdated and/or insecure browser (not that I'm accusing Palemon of being either, but still)...

I've been having this same issue for a long time ~.~, I don't check the forums very much or I would have posted this right away
Switching browsers is not an option for me because Pale Moon is the most up-to-modern-standards browser that supports my OS (Windows XP)
I do know about the flash projector too, but that's not really the issue because I can just open the link in a new tab to view the flash.
The issue is that every time I click a flash that's been uploaded, ruffle automatically starts trying to play it and ⑨freezes⑨ my computer for like 30 seconds before the "kill unresponsive process" dialog shows up and I can use my browser again... I'm not aware of any way to block ruffle from loading but it's probably possible.
In any case, it would be really nice if there was an option to disable ruffle in danbooru and load the flash instead. I have been avoiding clicking on flashes for this very reason, which is a shame because I like watching them.

prints said:

I've been having this same issue for a long time ~.~, I don't check the forums very much or I would have posted this right away
Switching browsers is not an option for me because Pale Moon is the most up-to-modern-standards browser that supports my OS (Windows XP)
I do know about the flash projector too, but that's not really the issue because I can just open the link in a new tab to view the flash.
The issue is that every time I click a flash that's been uploaded, ruffle automatically starts trying to play it and ⑨freezes⑨ my computer for like 30 seconds before the "kill unresponsive process" dialog shows up and I can use my browser again... I'm not aware of any way to block ruffle from loading but it's probably possible.
In any case, it would be really nice if there was an option to disable ruffle in danbooru and load the flash instead. I have been avoiding clicking on flashes for this very reason, which is a shame because I like watching them.

>Still using Windows XP in 2021
Man it's been seven years since it went unsupported, and it's nearly 20 years old outside of that. Let it go.
Switch to Linux or something, people like you are the reason why I have to deal with my mailserver being hammered by bots all the damn time, seriously.

That said, if you use any sort of adblock (ublock origin can almost 100% do this) it should be possible to block the scripts/part of the scripts that try to load the ruffle stuff.

According to Wikipedia, the last version of Pale Moon that supported XP was version 26.5.0, released in 2016. As far as I can tell, it was based on Firefox 24 from 2013. This is way too old to be worth supporting for me.

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