I mean, that borders on toon porn, idk if I'd call it vandalism.
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Regardless of whether or not it's off-topic, the notion that "no." can be a suitable flag reason is laughable. It's bad enough when approvers delete things with "no" as a reason because they're too lazy to write out a proper description of why something is unfit for Danbooru, and it's even worse when it's something a contributor uploaded because they're usually trusted more than some random member-level users uploading junk from r34. "quality check" was enough of a meme; if this is the level of reasoning we're deeming acceptable for flagging, we may as well just remove the necessity to give a reason altogether.
Talulah said:
Regardless of whether or not it's off-topic, the notion that "no." can be a suitable flag reason is laughable. It's bad enough when approvers delete things with "no" as a reason because they're too lazy to write out a proper description of why something is unfit for Danbooru, and it's even worse when it's something a contributor uploaded because they're usually trusted more than some random member-level users uploading junk from r34. "quality check" was enough of a meme; if this is the level of reasoning we're deeming acceptable for flagging, we may as well just remove the necessity to give a reason altogether.
I think your putting contributers on a bit of a pedestal because they aren't immune to quality issues either and sometimes our uploads will need to be rightfully flagged for moderation. Still though even if asking for detailed flags in this day and age is basically asking for the impossible you're right in saying it's unacceptable to simply write no since the only thing it tells moderation is that you simply didn't like it.
Nobody should need to write an essay to flag an image, especially when most approvers don't even look at a flag's reason. The only reason we haven't removed the requirement is to give the anti-fetish and "no yaoi tag" people enough rope to hang themselves with.
I feel there's been a recent increase in complaints about flagging from unres folk, myself included. As NNT said a bit ago in this thread, unrestricted uploads permission is a privilege, not an excuse to post whatever you want. It's not a crown, it's not a badge, it's not any real authority.
I think all of us unres are at least some of the time guilty of uploading things that would never make it past the queue even if every single approver was forced to judge the image directly. I further feel that this mentality is starting to become a bit too normalized. We had an unres a bit ago go out of their way to upload any fanart of random vtubers just to populate a tag and make a wiki.
I think all unres folk need to take a step back and remember why you're unres in the first place. It was not because you uploaded with cock in hand. It was not because you uploaded the funniest memes. And it probably wasn't the touhou or the harpies.
nonamethanks said:
I mean, that borders on toon porn, idk if I'd call it vandalism.
To be fair, flagging things for being off-topic is an invalid flag, as well. Part of the reason quality check has become the standard flag is because pointing out specific rules gets slapped with vandalism accusations. Pointing out specific issues in the image gets called invalid and starts a flame war.
A lot of people see flags as personal attacks, no matter what image is flagged or how.
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If "no." is a valid flag reason then I don't see why anything should be invalid. What a joke.
It's also worth noting that if the image was actually good whoever wrote "no." as a flag reason would be getting a life sentence in Guantanamo Bay. But because you personally dislike the image, flagging with garbage reasons is acceptable?
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I'm in agreement with Talulah's sentiment here. When uploaders (especially inexperienced users) see these meme reasons for flags or deletions it just comes off as snobbish and conceited, as if to say "I can't believe you uploaded this. It was such a terrible post that you don't even deserve a reason why it's being flagged/deleted".
When flagging posts we should be encouraging critical thinking among the users who uploaded them, not roleplaying as a fat greasy neckbeard dragging his big meaty fingers across the keyboard, chuckling with meme-borne mirth. Of course we can't please everyone as flags are inherently demotivating, but we can at least encourage improvement rather than smacking the user upside the head with "le funny flag". I know "quality check" flags have become something of a meme, but even those are better than this nonsense.
Talulah said:
It's also worth noting that if the image was actually good whoever wrote "no." as a flag reason would be getting a life sentence in Guantanamo Bay. But because you personally dislike the image, flagging with garbage reasons is acceptable?
I've actually seen a lot of invalid flags pass without ever being brought up in this thread. Most people don't read the flag or appeal reason. I've also seen a lot of invalid flags posted in this thread pass, too.
The fact that you haven't approved the image you brought up points to another case of the latter.
I agree that "no" is a bad flag, but, especially Zapdos' comments above, we're getting dangerously close to "flags are only valid if I agree with them". It's similar to a self-uploader being told their art doesn't pass muster. They don't want to be told how to get flagged less is to upload less Sonic memes. They want to be "right". I got turned into a twitter copypasta by trying to explain a flag that wasn't even mine that one time.
Veradux said:
I agree that "no" is a bad flag, but, especially Zapdos' comments above, we're getting dangerously close to "flags are only valid if I agree with them". It's similar to a self-uploader being told their art doesn't pass muster. They don't want to be told how to get flagged less is to upload less Sonic memes. They want to be "right". I got turned into a twitter copypasta by trying to explain a flag that wasn't even mine that one time.
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put words in my mouth. Asking a flagger to provide even the barest minimum of a real reason when flagging/deleting is far removed from calling the flag invalid, which is all I'm asking for and something you seem to agree with.
Every post is eligible for extra scrutiny, regardless of whether it was uploaded by NewUser39810 or the one and only evazion himself. The only kinds of flags that are truly invalid are those along the lines of "missing sex tag" or "gay shit", where the flagger either through intentional or unknowing negligence is flagging the post for reasons other than its quality or topicality.
The_Bob said:
Is "quality check" a meme? I've been using it sincerely for months. @_@
Some users believe that ideally, flags should be as specific as possible when highlighting why the post was flagged. Using "quality check" as the reason spits in the face of that philosophy as it's fairly vague. It does get the point across, however, as it essentially says: "I don't think this post's overall quality is in line with Danbooru's standards".
I always prefer more specific flag reasons but there's really nothing wrong with using "quality check". It's just joked about often in the Discord server.
I DM'd the flagger about flag reasons, but that said:
I get that we've recently descended into caveman-tier dialectics for flag reasons, and I find it pretty annoying that "quality check" is basically equivalent with leaving the reason empty, and I really don't want to encourage this kind of behaviour, and I've considered submitting a pull request to allow admins to deny flags as invalid via danboorubot to discourage it, and all that, but frankly I don't think Lilo & Stitch toon porn is a hill worth dying on regarding flag reasons. I think this is one of those cases where it's obvious and undeniable why the post was flagged.
Talulah said:
"no."
updated. sorry for having an issue be brought up.
krq64359_posdz said:
updated. sorry for having an issue be brought up.
I know I said I wouldn't argue over but seriously the flag reason really was because it was too western? I'll admit it doesn't look "anime" but quality wise I don't really see a problem but I'm biased so maybe there's something else I'm not seeing
iori98 said:
I know I said I wouldn't argue over but seriously the flag reason really was because it was too western? I'll admit it doesn't look "anime" but quality wise I don't really see a problem but I'm biased so maybe there's something else I'm not seeing
Because it's a faithful recreation of the show's own style, which is decidedly not "anime", it falls under "toon porn", which makes the proper reason for deletion "off topic". It's definitely very well drawn, but I wouldn't fault anyone for not wanting to approve it.
blindVigil said:
Because it's a faithful recreation of the show's own style, which is decidedly not "anime", it falls under "toon porn", which makes the proper reason for deletion "off topic". It's definitely very well drawn, but I wouldn't fault anyone for not wanting to approve it.
I see well then I'll let the matter rest then
"off topic content" (but it isn't)
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"Original and higher quality image as been posted"
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"off topic, chinese state media propoganda"
Unsure about off topic (imo no) but second part is obviously not a valid flag reason
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"Extreme fetish content"