Banned/deleted/missing images

Is it allowed to upload images from banned artists? I know howto:upload says "Images by these artists will be unconditionally deleted without notice.", but that's fine with me; I just want to make sure the image is archived somewhere for when it eventually gets removed from pixiv (or wherever else it was posted). Even if danbooru didn't keep the actual image, just having the md5 hash and tags stored would still be useful.

Speaking of which, where did all the posts with missing images go? Did they finally get double-deleted?

Can't say what happened to the missing images, I imagine they were double deleted but it's possible someone just purged the tag.

regarding missing_images - issue #2054

regarding banned posts - i don't know the official stand on the matter, but i was thinking of the same soon after banned posts are no longer calculated or penalized in user stats. related issue #1163 . the github ticket is still open and there's nothing in the system that prevents the user from uploading banned posts.

If you upload a post from a banned artist I think it would make sense for it to just be banned. Deleting and banning are separate things. The image would still be archived here, just hidden from basic users.

mock said:

Speaking of which, where did all the posts with missing images go? Did they finally get double-deleted?

Yeah we got rid of those.

... so we should act as archivers anyway? :p

Toks said:

If you upload a post from a banned artist I think it would make sense for it to just be banned. Deleting and banning are separate things. The image would still be archived here, just hidden from basic users.

Yeah we got rid of those.

By basic, everyone below Janitor?

CodeKyuubi said:

By basic, everyone below Janitor?

Basic meaning members; I can certainly see images that are deleted and ones from banned artists.

CodeKyuubi said:

By basic, everyone below Janitor?

Basic = below Gold

I was under the impression that the artists didn't want any more images uploaded onto Danbooru as well, period. It seems dodgy if we keep the images up anyway, and that people still knowingly upload just because.

NCAA_Gundam said:

I was under the impression that the artists didn't want any more images uploaded onto Danbooru as well, period. It seems dodgy of we keep the images up anyway, and that people still knowingly upload just because.

I agree. I've accidentally uploaded banned art because of an issue with two artist entries, but I see people sometimes upload banned art knowingly, because a contrib should and would know better than to upload without artist checking.

Banned images aren't able to be viewed by basic members. People are just uploading them for archival purposes afaik.

I have two problems with the "archival" argument;

1) Like NCAA_Gundam said, the banned_artists wiki, and what I gather of the general purpose of artist ban requests, is that those artists don't want their work uploaded here, regardless of whether the images are viewable or not. Uploading images from those artists regardless seems like it's against the word of that promise, if not the spirit.

2) Saying the images aren't viewable by basic members leaves the open statement that the images ARE viewable by gold+ users, which they are of course (able to see them myself). And nowhere do I get the impression that these artists are saying it's OK to view their images here, as long as the person viewing is a higher-privledged user. If anything I think they might object more that people can pay a $20 upgrade fee to be able to view their banned images, like banned art is part of a secret pay part of the site.

Previously gold+ could search banned_artist status:deleted and have the exact same results as you get now. We are not going to double delete posts just because an artist requests their art removed. This does more harm than good. We could restrict banned posts to janitor+ I guess which would limit the pool of people who can view them to less than 50 but I don't see any advantage in that.

Two more things then; One, how does double-deleting/permanent-deleting posts artists' want removed do more harm then good, or any harm at all? Is there some harm I'm missing in doing so beyond a loss of the archived image for whatever purpose?

And the other thing is that the issue of the thread is uploading additional art by already banned artists, which isn't an issue of deleting or changing privledges but just not choosing not to upload things we're told not to upload. If dealing with already uploaded banned images is as pointless as you seem to say, it still doesn't mean we couldn't have the answer to the OP's inquiry be that we don't upload art by artists who've asked us not to have their art uploaded here.

Saduharta said:

Two more things then; One, how does double-deleting/permanent-deleting posts artists' want removed do more harm then good, or any harm at all? Is there some harm I'm missing in doing so beyond a loss of the archived image for whatever purpose?

Accidents happen where not-banned posts get banned. One case comes to mind where all the hundreds of posts from a particular artist got banned even though the artist only wanted one specific post banned. Currently this is reversible but if banned posts got permanently deleted then it would be impossible to undo these mistakes.

And even permanently deleting posts that actually are banned would still be bad. It means the site wouldn't store their md5 anymore. If the md5 isn't stored the post can be reuploaded. And the reuploader could simply not tag the artist (whether intentionally or not), which would mean the newly reuploaded post wouldn't get marked as banned and thus re-deleted. What's worse: a banned post being stored on the site but only visible to gold+ users, or a banned post being stored on the site and visible to anyone and without even crediting the artist?

If necessary, danbooru could delete the image file itself, but leave the rest of the post (MD5, tags, source) intact, right? (I'm not suggesting that, keeping the posts hidden from users should be enough)

S1eth said:

If necessary, danbooru could delete the image file itself, but leave the rest of the post (MD5, tags, source) intact, right? (I'm not suggesting that, keeping the posts hidden from users should be enough)

That should be possible yes, but it doesn't solve the issue of it being irreversible in case of mistakes (which are fairly common from what I've seen).

I thought it was kinda iffy before the differentiation of deleted versus banned that banned posts weren't entirely scrubbed, but understood the argument about accidents happening...seems to me they could have been put on a long(er) timer at the end of which they got nuked. This thing where essentially if you pay (someone other than the artists) you get to see the images artists don't want existing feels REALLY off to me.

Is there actually a single person who has paid exclusively for the banned artist workaround? It's fairly new and it's not advertised anywhere.

Log said:
It's fairly new and it's not advertised anywhere.

http://donmai.us/users/upgrade_information

Actually, it is advertised as a feature.