Tag alias: stealing_food -> food_thief

create alias stealing_food -> food_thief

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create implication food_thief -> theft

Makes it consistent with the other theft tags (swimsuit_thief & clothes_thief)

Thömas said:

Makes it consistent with the other theft tags (swimsuit_thief & clothes_thief)

Why are those tags worded like that? They sound sort of awkward and are inconsistent with most other tags on the site, we tend to use the -ing verb form for actions that are visibly happening. "Clothes thief" makes it sound like we're tagging a person who makes a habit of stealing clothes, regardless of whether or not they're currently doing it in the image. But I don't believe that's the case.

I think they should be:

create alias clothes_thief -> stealing_clothes
create alias underwear_thief -> stealing_underwear
create alias swimsuit_thief -> stealing_swimsuit
create alias towel_thief -> stealing_towel
(And we already have stealing_food.)

Toks said:

"Clothes thief" makes it sound like we're tagging a person who makes a habit of stealing clothes, regardless of whether or not they're currently doing it in the image. But I don't believe that's the case.

Not really. If a character is caught taking someone else's underwear and even if they've only done it once, they'd still be labelled a "underwear thief," so there is nothing there that would really indicate a "habit."

Toks said:

Why are those tags worded like that? They sound sort of awkward and are inconsistent with most other tags on the site, we tend to use the -ing verb form for actions that are visibly happening. [...]

I think they should be:

create alias clothes_thief -> stealing_clothes
create alias underwear_thief -> stealing_underwear
create alias swimsuit_thief -> stealing_swimsuit
create alias towel_thief -> stealing_towel
(And we already have stealing_food.)

Wouldn't using the word "stealing" have to mean that the action is taking place in the image? I think that is what we wouldn't want, since the tags' wiki are written so that it covers both when the action is in place or for after the action has already transpired. For example lets say an image of a character's room with a pile of stolen underwear (lets say they have the owner's names written on their tags), its already been stolen, we know its been stolen, but we're not seeing the person swiping it off of a character or swiping from their laundry, so its gone past the point of labeling it the action of "stealing."

Example: post #1535190 (the underwear worn on the female admiral's head has already been stolen).

NWF_Renim said:

Not really. If a character is caught taking someone else's underwear and even if they've only done it once, they'd still be labelled a "underwear thief," so there is nothing there that would really indicate a "habit."

It doesn't matter whether it's a "habit" or not, that was just an example. My point is that there needs to noticeably be underwear/etc visibly being stolen or having been stolen in the image. These tags, like most others, are visual tags, not tags that rely on context. We're not tagging the person so much as the action, aren't we?

NWF_Renim said:

Wouldn't using the word "stealing" have to mean that the action is taking place in the image? I think that is what we wouldn't want, since the tags' wiki are written so that it covers both when the action is in place or for after the action has already transpired. For example lets say an image of a character's room with a pile of stolen underwear (lets say they have the owner's names written on their tags), its already been stolen, we know its been stolen, but we're not seeing the person swiping it off of a character or swiping from their laundry, so its gone past the point of labeling it the action of "stealing."

Example: post #1535190 (the underwear worn on the female admiral's head has already been stolen).

Yeah you're right, I guess "stealing" could be a bit misleading in that case.

What else... how about "theft", as in underwear_theft? Unlike "stealing" this shouldn't limit it to any particular tense. It also matches real terms such as "car theft". It's also consistent with our theft tag that these tags implicate.

FWIW, "theft" sounds like the best solution to me - it describes the action itself, without implying when it occurred ("stealing") or the presence of who did the stealing ("thief"), in addition to the reasons Toks mentioned.

Create a bulk update request if you still want this.

remove implication underwear_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication swimsuit_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication clothes_thief -> theft
remove alias clothing_thief -> clothes_thief
remove alias panty_thief -> underwear_thief

create alias clothes_thief -> clothes_theft
create alias underwear_thief -> underwear_theft
create alias swimsuit_thief -> swimsuit_theft
create alias towel_thief -> towel_theft
create alias stealing_food -> food_theft

create implication underwear_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication swimsuit_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication clothes_theft -> theft
create alias clothing_thief -> clothes_theft
create alias panty_thief -> underwear_theft

Link to request

See above

Toks said:

create alias clothes_thief -> clothes_theft
create alias underwear_thief -> underwear_theft
create alias swimsuit_thief -> swimsuit_theft
create alias towel_thief -> towel_theft
create alias stealing_food -> food_theft

Link to request

See above

Does that also perform removing the existing implications and re-establishing them with the new tags (ie this below)?

remove implication underwear_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication swimsuit_thief -> clothes_thief
create implication underwear_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication swimsuit_theft -> clothes_theft

NWF_Renim said:

Does that also perform removing the existing implications and re-establishing them with the new tags (ie this below)?

remove implication underwear_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication swimsuit_thief -> clothes_thief
create implication underwear_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication swimsuit_theft -> clothes_theft

Yes, it should move them automatically.

...But I just tested it on my server to be sure and it seems there's a bizarre race condition which causes it to sometimes fail when doing a bunch at once like this. Hah...

I believe I've fixed the bug for the next version, but for now I'll manually add the necessary changes to the request (there are some more besides those two you listed too).

Toks said:

remove implication underwear_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication swimsuit_thief -> clothes_thief
remove implication clothes_thief -> theft
remove alias clothing_thief -> clothes_thief
remove alias panty_thief -> underwear_thief

create alias clothes_thief -> clothes_theft
create alias underwear_thief -> underwear_theft
create alias swimsuit_thief -> swimsuit_theft
create alias towel_thief -> towel_theft
create alias stealing_food -> food_theft

create implication underwear_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication swimsuit_theft -> clothes_theft
create implication clothes_theft -> theft
create alias clothing_thief -> clothes_theft
create alias panty_thief -> underwear_theft

Link to request

See above

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