copyright request tag

Focus on adding meaningful tags rather than placeholders.

the wiki says that any image should be tagged copyright_request and artist_request if there are no proper tags

It wasn't really discussed, it seems like someone used a translation_request guideline (that you shouldn't remove it until the post is completely translated) as the definition for all of them.

*_request tags should be added when you, personally, want to know something - it's a request.
They're also useful for "only some of them are tagged" situations, as mentioned above.

MyrMindservant said:

I would be in favor of keeping artist_request and copyright_request. They are more versatile and convenient than related metatags.

With regular tags we can add a wiki with explanation and useful links, like the current artist_request.

+ 1

Request tags and their wikis make newcomers pay attention to tagging problems, hopefully helping recruit tag gardeners. (This is my logical reasoning, which I do believe in. But it is equally true that I just personally prefer request tags to metatags. Somehow I feel they speak to me in a way I readily understand.)

When I am uncertain of an artist's tag 's addition (such as multiple handles, a handle that would benefit from a qualifier, or even just unclear renderings of a handle), I'll typically include artist_request the same way one might add check_translation. Is this acceptable, or should I just drop a forum thread whenever that comes up?

T5J8F8 said:
When I am uncertain of an artist's tag 's addition (such as multiple handles, a handle that would benefit from a qualifier, or even just unclear renderings of a handle), I'll typically include artist_request the same way one might add check_translation. Is this acceptable, or should I just drop a forum thread whenever that comes up?

do both, with a comment in the picture imo.

Copyright request doesn't seem appropriate for all posts lacking a copyright, as some have no applicable copyright, not even original. For example post #44417 and post #465052. Unless we want to make a real_life copyright tag...

And there's also still_life copytags:0. Are these appropriate to tag as original? For some reason it feels odd to call them original...

jjj14 said:
Copyright request doesn't seem appropriate for all posts lacking a copyright, as some have no applicable copyright, not even original. For example post #44417 and post #465052. Unless we want to make a real_life copyright tag...

MarUsca has been mass editing copyright_request onto every copytags:0 post, which isn't the most useful thing.

Hinacle said:
MarUsca has been mass editing copyright_request onto every copytags:0 post, which isn't the most useful thing.

Yeah, I noticed too.

I think copyright_request should be used similarly to artist_request, i.e. one should add it if he personally is interested in post's copyrights/origin. And in this case flooding the tag with posts only makes it less useful.

Well. My point was that I will dump the posts into copyright_request, and then replace the most obvious with original, like those with real_life or some original manga. I'll start right away then.

Wait, wait, do not add/change copyrights unless you completely sure that the new ones are correct. Something being likely is not enough IMO. Better no information than incorrect information.

Also, "real_life" posts should not have any copyrights, not even original, unless they are referencing some actual copyright. That's what jjj14 was talking about.

MyrMindservant said:
Wait, wait, do not add/change copyrights unless you completely sure that the new ones are correct. Something being likely is not enough IMO. Better no information than incorrect information.

Also, "real_life" posts should not have any copyrights, not even original, unless they are referencing some actual copyright. That's what jjj14 was talking about.

Ah, I see. All right. Well, I mean, something like post #70413 is surely some original generic yaoi manga, right?

MarUsca said:
Ah, I see. All right. Well, I mean, something like post #70413 is surely some original generic yaoi manga, right?

It probably is, but then we come to the question of how precise we want to be.
If it was an original manga, rather than doujin based on another copyright, and it's not a oneshot but a longer series, then the best approach would be to use its own title as a copyright tag. I'm not sure if we have any policy regarding this, though.

user_287254 said:

MarUsca has been mass editing copyright_request onto every copytags:0 post, which isn't the most useful thing.

I take it this is why, looking through my old posts, I'm seeing copyright_request in ridiculous places like post #846456?

I'm with MyrMindservant on this one.

MyrMindservant said:

I think copyright_request should be used similarly to artist_request, i.e. one should add it if he personally is interested in post's copyrights/origin. And in this case flooding the tag with posts only makes it less useful.

We tried to nuke it so we could use it how one would expect it to be used but the tag edit never went through. I'll ask jxh to try again once Hijiribe's back up.

Log said:

We tried to nuke it so we could use it how one would expect it to be used but the tag edit never went through. I'll ask jxh to try again once Hijiribe's back up.

Artist_request suffers from the exact same problem as copyright_request so we might want to include that one too.

Also if the mass edit happens to bug out again somebody should try to look at the error so we can figure out the problem.

Toks said:

Artist_request suffers from the exact same problem as copyright_request so we might want to include that one too.

may i also add tagme. it used to be less than 20,000 posts or if my memory serves me right as low as 7,000. it ballooned when tagme was added en masse to gentags:0

Okay, stop right there. Isn't tagme supposed to be used for this purpose?

tagme's purpose is to catch untagged posts and to avoid getting lost under the heap. that's why it's automatically added. i have trouble searching the forum for reference atm but that's what i remember. way before, there are no metatags like gentags, copytags, and arttags. some time later they were implemented and made searching untagged posts easier. with d2, things are even better with tag count for art, copy, gen are readily available for every post. and not to mention the proliferation of very specific *_request tags for very precise needs. these make adding tagme as a placeholder tag unnecessary and useless.

Er. So basically you mean that if anyone wants to tag missing artist, copyrights or posts with no gentags they can just search arttags:0, copytags:0 or gentags:0?

if one is looking for:
no artist - arttags:0
no copyright - copytags:0
no character - chartags:0
no general tag - gentags:0

missing artist - artist_request / collaboration_request / collaboration arttags:1
missing copyright - copyright_request / crossover copytags:1 /annotation_request
missing character - character_request / annotation_request
unknown gentag - *_request or just leave a comment