Idea: Artist commentary field(s)

NeverGonnaGive said:

And after I'd become confident in my ever-tweaked personal methods. Ah well... Guess I'll go back through my uploads whenever the cataloging itch bites me again.

I'd like to take this chance to say that I don't think you should post the artist's commentary unless it says something interesting that actually adds to the image in some way.

You've been posting a lot of commentary-comments that don't contain useful information, like for example in post #1158571, post #863600, post #1300503, and post #1551624. There's no new or interesting information in those, so I think it would be better to not post them.

NeverGonnaGive said:

And how should timestamps, tools, and tags be handled (all of which I see as pertinent, the foremost when there's a large gap between the original and the Danbooru upload, and the latest are sometimes a commentary in themselves)?

timestamps - If there's some special reason why this matters (like "this was posted the day after <current event related to the image>" or "the information in this image is now outdated, as the artist originally posted it X years ago") then I'd post a comment explaining this. Otherwise I don't think there's reason to post it.

tools - Use Danbooru's tags, such as traditional_media and its subtags.

tags - Tags that are actually used as tags shouldn't be copied, since Danbooru has its own tagging system. If the artist uses tags as a secondary form of commentary like you mentioned (not very common in my experience) then I would copy just the interesting tags onto the end of the description field like this: Tags include: "tag here", "more tags", "blah blah blah"

I suppose I shall start going through the commentary I posted and move it to this fancy new field.

And so, to delete the translation comments left by others, I've made topic #10016.

Oh man, this Artist commentary thing needs a keyboard shortcut.

Toks said:

I'd like to take this chance to say that I don't think you should post the artist's commentary unless it says something interesting that actually adds to the image in some way.

You've been posting a lot of commentary-comments that don't contain useful information, ...

I can't read Japanese, so I always transcript those if there's anything to transcribe (usually that metadata I'm huffing over), and this comprehensive nitpicking just continued into all such comments, probably with a mentality of "there's little to no question about what may or may not have been said about a piece" (ignoring, I guess, responses to other users' comments). That and unwieldy walls of text (but more the latter) are why I'm so glad for the "expand" tag (heck, learning of it probably made me feel less self-conscious about posting so much untranslated text all at once).

But, yes, for these new fields, as they are, generic titles (particularly, "Untitled") and insubstantial comments can definitely just be dropped. I still feel remiss to purge the extra data, especially if a post is bad id (or equivalent), so might could we implement a "permanently hidden" state for comments, so they won't take up space for users' discussions, but still be present as a matter of record-keeping?

NeverGonnaGive said:

But, yes, for these new fields, as they are, generic titles (particularly, "Untitled") and insubstantial comments can definitely just be dropped.

I'm glad we agree on this, but if you agree, why have you started copying insubstantial comments over to these new fields anyway? Like post #1551629 - I really don't think "is this a pigeon" is very substantial, unless there's some deep hidden meaning there. The tags "#mike art #chihiro fujisaki #dangan ronpa" are even less substantial, as Danbooru has its own tagging system.

NeverGonnaGive said:

I still feel remiss to purge the extra data, especially if a post is bad id (or equivalent), so might could we implement a "permanently hidden" state for comments, so they won't take up space for users' discussions, but still be present as a matter of record-keeping?

I still don't understand why we'd want this extra metadata at all, but I understand even less why we would keep track of it with comments instead of proper fields, and then permanently hide those comments too? If you recognize that no one really wants to see this information maybe you could consider not posting any more of it?

I think I know how I'd like to go about my hangups: I'll include all the various data in the initial "Add commentary", then delete everything but the commentary itself. That way, it's in the Commentary History, but not cluttering anything up. This could even extend to the less-than-useful commentaries themselves by just nixing them from display. Unless this puts some ridiculous strain on Danbooru, is this acceptable?

NeverGonnaGive said:

I think I know how I'd like to go about my hangups: I'll include all the various data in the initial "Add commentary", then delete everything but the commentary itself. That way, it's in the Commentary History, but not cluttering anything up. This could even extend to the less-than-useful commentaries themselves by just nixing them from display. Unless this puts some ridiculous strain on Danbooru, is this acceptable?

Roughly translate text with Google Translate; if it sounds interesting, adds to the image or is part of a story, add it.
If not, don't.

NeverGonnaGive said:

I think I know how I'd like to go about my hangups: I'll include all the various data in the initial "Add commentary", then delete everything but the commentary itself. That way, it's in the Commentary History, but not cluttering anything up. This could even extend to the less-than-useful commentaries themselves by just nixing them from display. Unless this puts some ridiculous strain on Danbooru, is this acceptable?

No, I don't think it is. Your comments being obtrusive was only half the problem: information that is just not useful for anything shouldn't be posted.

Alright, bare minimums. It'll get at me for a bit, but it'll probably feel relieving to not try being so particular.

Once the commentary field can be hidden (issue #2036), how much is too much?

I've seen wall-of-text profiles for original characters (e.g. pixiv #34662503), but there's probably not much use saving those in any form.