Kikimaru said:
Can you guys go back to uploading fun pictures for fun's sake, please?
I do. A bot sniping good uploads does not exactly increase said fun, though.
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I seriously doubt that DakuTree has shut down that bot. I didn't notice any drop of his upload count. Is there any way to get daily statistics on upload count ?
As for enforcing that minimum number of tags in order to avoid is a cake to by-pass, especially if we talk here about bots.
No kidding. I mean what's the point of the hunt if something else just does it for you automatically?
In other words, why give a damn if you could as well rename Danbooru to automated Dakubooru. I don't think the problem lies in bot itself, but it's rather annoying efficiency.
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You people sound like a bunch of Luddites by rejecting the bot for being "efficient". It doesn't matter if your name isn't displayed next to the picture. Very few people actually care about who uploads the image. The only legitimate concerns ought to be assuring high quality for the uploads as well as sufficient tagging.
HNTI said:
I seriously doubt that DakuTree has shut down that bot. I didn't notice any drop of his upload count. Is there any way to get daily statistics on upload count ?
Keep in mind that he also has the script he wrote that checks Pixiv for new and well-rated posts that aren't yet on Danbooru (publicly available). For that reason alone, DakuTree the person (rather than the bot) has means to discover and upload good posts quickly (perhaps quicker than someone manually scoping Pixiv out). I use his system myself sometimes, it's quite handy, though I usually use it to find nice, but overlooked images. Also he states the bot was only running for a day. If that is the case, his post count before and after the bot should be similar.
HNTI said:
I seriously doubt that DakuTree has shut down that bot. I didn't notice any drop of his upload count.
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No, I mainly talk about newly uploaded posts on pixiv.
Quite handy...it depends for who.
I've already replied to you about this earlier in the thread, and to several other people. Shouldn't need to repeat myself.
Shinjidude said:
Keep in mind that he also has the script he wrote that checks Pixiv for new and well-rated posts that aren't yet on Danbooru (publicly available).
If you're meaning PVDB, it can't check "new" posts considering the data it grabs is by artist.
Even if it did, the data would essentially be useless as it would be too low to actually search for.
Could possibly set up a script to return images over say..50~ ratecount in the last x amount of pages, but that could only really work well as a convenience tool more than anything else.
Also he states the bot was only running for a day.
Not even that. It ran for an hour or two before I turned it off since users were complaining about it. It didn't even upload anything while it was on.
DakuTree said:
If you're meaning PVDB, it can't check "new" posts considering the data it grabs is by artist.
Even if it did, the data would essentially be useless as it would be too low to actually search for.
That's the script I meant, and maybe the posts aren't as new as I thought they were (I never was super clear as to how that spidering was done). In any case, like I said, I don't tend to go exclusively for new posts anyway, and I do find it handy for my purposes of discovering overlooked posts.
That's the script I meant, and maybe the posts aren't as new as I thought they were (I never was super clear as to how that spidering was done). In any case, like I said, I don't tend to go exclusively for new posts anyway, and I do find it handy for my purposes of discovering overlooked posts.
As I said I don't mean the older posts, but he and his fancy automated "friends" snatch most of good and rather accepted content. Not everybody likes to look for a new artists (I often try to find something new when I find out that most of popular posts belong to Daku...). Anyway, what;s the idea of forcing other users to so-called "discovery" of new artists ? Maybe DakuTree will write a script or two to find them, ok :) ?
From what has been said so far, I understand that bots/scripts and other boosting stuff is allowed or at least indirectly approved.
From my point of view, I started my account aiming for Janitor and realized within minutes that Pixiv wasn't worth it. There are too many users pouring over it constantly for it to be an efficient method of finding anything good that won't be here in the next nanosecond, regardless of whether it's done by bot or by a swarm of human eyes. Personally, the few uploads I have have come from looking for missing sources and finding better versions or related images or coming across artists with one Danbooru post and discovering they have more worthy ones available.
As long as the post is tagged in a reasonable amount of time by the uploader, I think it's fine. However, I do feel that any upload bots should be run through moderated accounts (not contrib+) so that the posts are run past at least someone as they whiz by. Though I'm not sure how much stress that would shove into the mod queue. I don't think the current janitor and mod staff would appreciate having checking the tags and rating added to their job descriptions either.
I'd honestly rather have the site completely manned by human users (excepting some of the MD5 mismatch and Pixiv thumbnail hunters), but if bots come to pass perhaps a separate user level could be used for them which has a Contributer-esque upload limit swell, but doesn't have autoapproved posts. Maybe it should come with a high watermark to the upload limit to slow mod queue spam as well.
OOZ662 said:
From my point of view, I started my account aiming for Janitor and realized within minutes that Pixiv wasn't worth it. There are too many users pouring over it constantly for it to be an efficient method of finding anything good that won't be here in the next nanosecond, regardless of whether it's done by bot or by a swarm of human eyes.
As the #2 uploader over the past month focusing exclusively on Pixiv, I have to disagree with that. Pixiv is a big place, and next to none of my uploads are very recent on Pixiv. The right tools help.
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OOZ662 said:
From my point of view, I started my account aiming for Janitor and realized within minutes that Pixiv wasn't worth it. There are too many users pouring over it constantly for it to be an efficient method of finding anything good that won't be here in the next nanosecond, regardless of whether it's done by bot or by a swarm of human eyes.
It's possible. I got contrib without ever touching a script. Granted I'm not a shining star compared to those that do use scripts, and it took me 5 years, but I did it.
OOZ662 said:
Personally, the few uploads I have have come from looking for missing sources and finding better versions or related images or coming across artists with one Danbooru post and discovering they have more worthy ones available.
This is what I do a lot of the time. Go through past posts and see if there's anything else by established artists that hasn't been uploaded yet; search arttags:0 to check quality on artists that aren't established here yet; search through artists' favorites/blogs/websites for anything that hasn't been uploaded. There are a ton of alternatives to pixiv camping (which you can definitely do in spite of the users that are running scripts) while still using pixiv.
RaisingK said:
As the #2 uploader over the past month focusing exclusively on Pixiv, I have to disagree with that. Pixiv is a big place, and next to none of my uploads are very recent on Pixiv. The right tools help.
I'm #3?
The fuck am I doing with my life...
HNTI said:
@Kikimaru : Cheer up, you still have 3 times more "life" than big surprise of that list #1.
I'm guessing this is another attempt to attack DakuTree as a person? Dragging this on is not helpful, constructive, or mature. I should refer you to forum #57304. It also strikes me as odd for a person to say "stop hogging all the low-hanging fruit, I want to be able to boost my post-count" at the same time alluding that users with higher post counts have "no life". Seems hypocritical to me.
HNTI said:
@OOZ662: The problem is that pixiv is the most user friendly amongst all Japanese image boards, mainly due to its English interface.
It's ironic that you say that, because for the majority of most established users' histories Pixiv *didn't* have an English interface, or you had to add one yourself with a userscript. I'll grant you that even without English, it's still one of the best and easiest organized sites to parse (which is the only reason scripts and bots are even really possible with it). Tinami was probably the best of the previous era, and even that just forwarded people to artists' ad hoc developed websites and blogs.
OOZ662 said:
From my point of view, I started my account aiming for Janitor and realized within minutes that Pixiv wasn't worth it. There are too many users pouring over it constantly for it to be an efficient method of finding anything good that won't be here in the next nanosecond, regardless of whether it's done by bot or by a swarm of human eyes.
Pixiv-camping may not be efficient, but don't give up, there are still lots of ways to find posts and otherwise contribute. I actually checked your account for promotion consideration, and you're not off to a bad start, but it's impossible to justify promotion to an unmoderated rank with only a handful of posts to judge by. I (and I presume most other Janitors and Mods) all started as basic members, and had no relationship or personal communication with Albert or established staff when we started. Just keep posting and so long as you exercise good judgement, you'll get to where you want to be.
You get promoted by demonstrating resourcefulness and good judgement on image quality. If you get to 100 good quality uploads with no or few deletions, chances are extremely good that you will be promoted. Being active in the forums and contributing constructively to policy debates and otherwise being helpful will put yourself out there and slowly but surely people will take notice and you will climb the ladder. We aren't like those forums that automatically reward people with titles for simply having a high post count (which seems to be part of the mindset behind this thread), but it's unfair to say that people don't get promoted.
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OOZ662 said:
From my point of view, I started my account aiming for Janitor and realized within minutes that Pixiv wasn't worth it. There are too many users pouring over it constantly for it to be an efficient method of finding anything good that won't be here in the next nanosecond, regardless of whether it's done by bot or by a swarm of human eyes.
Uploading wise, I'd say pixiv is still probably the best way if you're looking to get promoted.
Look through artist pages rather than watching "new" feeds. It is a hit or miss if you find anything worth uploading, but I would say it's better than recently posted stuff.
Nearly all my uploads (2000~) before being promoted to contrib was simply just by going through the odd artist I saw on pixiv.
Seiga & Tinami can be decent aswell if you can get past the fact there is no way to actually filter images there. Although there is an insane amount of duplicates on both, there is a fair amount of artists that don't post on other sites.
RaisingK said:
Pixiv is a big place, and next to none of my uploads are very recent on Pixiv. The right tools help.
Pixiv is a very big place.
Problem is trying to actually find stuff which could be considered "danbooru quality". Tools can't exactly help you filter that, although it does make it easier. There is also personal taste to a certain extent too. (Which is why there is an insane amount of high-rated male art which hasn't been uploaded)
The amusing thing here is that pixiv is only what, 1/10 the size of Deviantart? Scares me to even think about trying to find stuff there..
Shinjidude said:
You get promoted by demonstrating resourcefulness and good judgement on image quality. If you get to 100 good quality uploads with no or few deletions, chances are extremely good that you will be promoted.
Just a thought, but is 100~ good quality uploads the only thing required? 100 doesn't seem like a huge amount to base much off.
Also seems a bit bad for the people who are trying to get promoted via tagging, which from at least what I've seen, takes quite a bit longer.
DakuTree said:
Just a thought, but is 100~ good quality uploads the only thing required? 100 doesn't seem like a huge amount to base much off.
Also seems a bit bad for the people who are trying to get promoted via tagging, which from at least what I've seen, takes quite a bit longer.
Always under the impression that a good ratio of approved-to-deleted uploads were a factor.
DakuTree said:
Just a thought, but is 100~ good quality uploads the only thing required? 100 doesn't seem like a huge amount to base much off.
It's just a guideline, and needs to be coupled with the "good quality posts" and "very few to no deletions" to be valid. The 100 post threshold is just to make sure there is a good sample size. If in your first 100 posts, you provide 100 good quality posts, and 0 posts that get deleted, chances are you are the sort of person that will almost always post things that are worthy of passing the mod queue without supervision.
The posts themselves always need to be taken into consideration though, 100 4koma approved only because they are part of an established pool shouldn't really count. Deletions due to an artist takedown request or other ancillary issue likewise shouldn't count.
100 posts by themselves don't mean anything, but if the quality of those posts are excellent, it's a good sample size.
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