Time of day tags

I suggest we define a set of tags for the times of the day and create wiki entries and aliases for them, I'm addressing this because posts like post #488010 has 4 tags that define roughly the same scenery.

We can skip "daytime" or "middle of the day" since that would be silly, most outdoor (and some in*) posts that have a defined time represented are situated within that frame also there already exists a night tag but it's the time in between that's undefined.

Maybe other worlds/planets have a different flow than what we're accustomed to but I'm just referring to our earthly day.

After looking at the definitions for dusk, twilight, and evening, I'd say only the evening and sunset tags would stick with post #488010. Twilight is the time of day when the sun is completely below the horizon lighting up the edge of the horizon. Dusk is merely the evening occurrence of twilight. Since the sun is visible in neither of those, it shouldn't have the dusk and twilight tags.

The only important tags should be night, twilight, and sunset. Evening is too general, as it includes both sunset and twilight. Twilight images should look like post #436127 or post #549426. Sunset should be something like post #716051

Artists of course don't necessarily make the images really match up entirely. In post #684065 if the sun wasn't depicted it would likely fall under the twilight tag. So the general rule of thumb should be: sun = sunset, no sun = twilight. Ideally though twilight images should only be images in which the area of the sky that is lightened up is close to the horizon.

Appearance-wise we have tags that visually should be indistinguishable and should be joined. Sunset should be visually identical to Sunrise. Dawn by definition is the counterpart to Dusk, and so both are just specific versions of twilight. Evening includes both sunset and twilight, so the tag should be split between the two and removed. A few images in morning should be split and moved to either twilight and sunset.

The day tag also should have something done with it, though images like post #521108 and post #561118 seem to require a more specific tag for depicting day and night side by side.

Sunrise is not identical to sunset. I will be against a move to either one.

sunrise/sunset "is similar to" dressing/undressing -- (usually) visually indistinguishable; one tag for both: forum #7135

Sunset and sunrise are not necessarily indistinguishable; neither is dressing/undressing.

Sunrise is morning, with cool air, and that is often indicated in the images by people wearing coats or scarves. Sunset is evening, with warm air.

Similarly, you don't put on clothes the same way you take them off. It's often possible to tell which way the clothes are going, on or off.

So no, they're definitely not indistinguishable in general, in many pics it's possible to tell. For dressing/undressing I don't really care if they're merged, but for sunset vs. sunrise the mood is very different and I think they should stay separate tags. At the very least keep them on pics where it's clearly one of the other, and use an ambivalent tag for those where it isn't.

I think you're drawing too much unnecessary info in trying to draw a line between sunrise/sunset the way you're going about it. If we're going to try and use your arguments with clothing, then I could turn around and argue that post #466390 is sunset because the sunflowers are facing in the opposite direction (the flower locks toward the direction the sunrises after they bloom). It's fiction, it's not like the artist has to play by reality's rules.

The majority of the images currently under sunrise don't seem to be all that different than what would fall under sunset. I honestly don't think there is enough to go with your clothing argument to have it hold any weight.

piespy said:
Sunset and sunrise are not necessarily indistinguishable; neither is dressing/undressing.

They have been for some time for danbooru tagging purposes, though. Separating them isn't necessary and doesn't gain us much of anything.

Anyway, night, twilight and sunset as NWF outlined seemt o capture what we need.

bumping and +1 for alias:
create alias sunrise -> sunset

Do you have a new argument along with this necrobump?

uhm, im not entirely sure why i need to add new arguments when just the last two posts before my first did not receive any resistance or rebuttal for the past year.

and i honestly think the arguments presented above and forum #7135 are enough to bring closure to this episode, i guess.

another bump.

I understand why some people may want this alias, but I do think that post #1146135 and post #1186831 look distinctive enough to keep them separate. This is just one example, it's fairly easy to find more if you look at posts under these two tags.
So -1 to the alias.

Maybe implication would work better instead, not sure.

I thought sunrise and sunset were already aliased, weird. Must have removed it for a reason at some point. I guess we can keep them separate, though it's often very similar.

Apparently this thread, from long ago, hasn't resulted in anything useful.

I think sunlight and sunset are distinguishable enough in color scheme (usually the first is represented with pink and blue and the later with orange skies) that neither should be removed.
What i would like is to make tags like dawn, dusk, maybe even evening aliases to (let's say) twilight; for when there's no sun on screen.

I didn't throw the morning tag in there because, that one usually implies a specific scenario like waking up or going to school/work, not only scenery.