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Don't be daft. It's been proposed in the past that flaggers should be kept anonymous except to those with the power of approval so as to prevent flaming and harassment targeted at those trying to keep quality control. It was decided that such an occurrence was unlikely - as recent events involving active flaggers have shown, that decision was inaccurate.
This was never about any sort of "vendetta", or for any one person's benefit. That is, until you began accusing people of such.
Back to the subject at hand, at the least, can "part of a pool" be further clarified? I'd imagine that the way its presented, a lot of users think that being part of any pool is enough, it needs to be established that it has to be an actual narrative comic, or some type of series, and not just a series of 4komas or unrelated comics.
I am pretty certain that the reason why the flagging is NOT anonomyous, is because those who flag pictures for deletion are expected to own up and take responsablity for doing so.
And this has been about the reaction of the flagging of the work of one artist. ONE. Not multiple artists, not a pool of different artists, not different artwork. No, just the work of this one non-Japanese artist.
Anelaid said:
Back to the subject at hand, at the least, can "part of a pool" be further clarified? I'd imagine that the way its presented, a lot of users think that being part of any pool is enough, it needs to be established that it has to be an actual narrative comic, or some type of series, and not just a series of 4komas or unrelated comics.
The pool in question IS actually ordered and grouped in a series of RELATED strips now: Someone actually organized them to be that way. Also, the pool is the collection of Touhou comics made by that particular artist, in the same way the Finnish 4koma strips are also organized by being comics from the same artist. That is what is meant by "part of pool".
Perhaps you haven't noticed that many posts every day come and go. It's a natural part of Danbooru, and many images, not just this particular pool, go through this kind of process. And really, if people like it that much they can just go to Deviantart to read it, right? Danbooru doesn't grant it any special status or bonuses.
This process ensures an above average quality of images for users to peruse.
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P.Suzuki said:
The pool in question IS actually ordered and grouped in a series of RELATED strips now: Someone actually organized them to be that way. Also, the pool is the collection of Touhou comics made by that particular artist, in the same way the Finnish 4koma strips are also organized by being comics from the same artist. That is what is meant by "part of pool".
That is not what the proposal is about. Many times now, people have tried to appeal posts for being "part of a pool" when those pools were merely thematic pools like "Badass" or "PAWNCH" or whatever.
In addition, 4koma pools may be divided into "chapters" each consisting of several different pieces following their own series of events, but many 4koma also possess distinctly different pieces that do not operate based off previous pieces or chapters. If an independent piece, or an entire independent chapter is flagged, it is not necessarily protected by the pool reason. And of course the pool reason is rendered entirely void if the pool itself is what's under scrutiny.
In addition, it'd be appreciated if you didn't try to tout your own opinions as fact regarding the reason flags are not anonymous. See forum #41336.
Furthermore, Anelaid was not even the one who first brought this pool up. He simply agreed with and started carrying out the process. You've been shooting the messenger, in a sense.
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Flagging is not anonymous because I didn't think harassment would be an issue. And it's nice to see if there are some people who are serial flaggers who many just be blanket flagging a tag. Now that I know it's a problem I will go ahead and anonymize them to most users.
I agree that "part of a pool" is a poor excuse for appealing. I'll remove it from the list of reasons.
albert said:
Flagging is not anonymous because I didn't think harassment would be an issue. And it's nice to see if there are some people who are serial flaggers who many just be blanket flagging a tag. Now that I know it's a problem I will go ahead and anonymize them to most users.I agree that "part of a pool" is a poor excuse for appealing. I'll remove it from the list of reasons.
I don't blanket flag a tag, it was just some posts out of a pool and things got blown way out of proportion.
Anelaid said:
I don't blanket flag a tag, it was just some posts out of a pool and things got blown way out of proportion.
"Throwing the worse comics back into moderation"
Pictures #1049813, #1042403, #1049803, #1049807, #1049810, #1049812, #1042841, #996693, #1049816, #1049817
"Affirming previously stated reasons (•Flagging pool for being both poorly drawn and not humorous enough to justify keeping it- Arrei)"
Pictures #990935, #1047450
"Unfunny, poorly drawn"
Pictures #992016, #1001965
"Multiple pages of a manga, doujinshi, or comic that don't stand up to individual scrutiny"
Pictures #1045021, #1001976, #1031584, #991972, #996697, #985671
"The art isn't great and the writing doesn't make up for it."
Picture #1000800
These were all just you: How is this not abusing the flag tag?
At least I have an excuse for constantly appealing with "Not a valid reason for deletion"; I actually do not believe you and those like you have a valid reason for trying to flag every comic in lunarisaileron's collection pool.
Anelaid said:
Because its not abusing the flag system?I might be wrong, but I really don't think i am and no one besides you have brought this up.
Can someone else tell me if I did anything wrong?
Are you sure nobody ever brought anything like this up? Because I recall some of the other appeal posts being about how you were targeting just this one artist's work, and only that artist's work.
Oh, but I am getting off topic aren't I?
You made this topic about you. You made this topic about how you were getting hate messages over what you did. About how you wanted the deletion flags to be anonomyous because you did not want anyone else knowing that you were trying to get the comics deleted, so no one voice that you were the one flagging them for deletion, or send you hate mail for doing that. And your post was about how some appeals for pictures you flagged for deletion contained reasons like "Part of pool", which you know is listed as a reason for appealing deletions, because you did not understand it, and you did not think it was a valid reason to appeal the deletion flags made by you.
And that is why I am here, bothering to reply to you, because someone needs to point out that what you are doing is wrong.
I actually suggested that flags be anonymous to non-mod team members from the beginning because I knew someone was going to sperg out and send threatening dmails to someone who flagged things, just for the record.
You're pretty daft if you think he made the topic about him when he made the topic in response to current situations. The fact that you alone are nearly half the replies in this thread shows me you're being deviantart-level defensive over these posts. Take a few days off or stop posting entirely, either way you're blowing this thing way out of proportion.
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That's quite enough. Anelaid did not even first bring up that pool for deletion. Only when someone else did, and several days passed, during which people including janitors agreed that the pool was poorly drawn and not funny enough to excuse being poorly drawn, did he begin flagging images in the pool for deletion on grounds of being poorly drawn, an entirely valid flag.
And now you've taken that to somehow mean he has a personal grudge against this Lunarisaileron. If it appears like he's targeting Lunaris' work, it's because the entire pool is up on the chopping block. And since people below Contributor can only flag 10 posts per day, until the delete-worthy images are gone, that's all that our flags are going to be able to be used on.
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P.Suzuki said:
And that is why I am here, bothering to reply to you, because someone needs to point out that what you are doing is wrong.
You're pointing out to the mod team that made the rules the flaggers apply.
And harassing people like it's justified should just get you banned.
Rampardos said:
I think something like "Breaking important continuity in a story" would be better. Anything can be a missing page, but at least this phrasing makes people think about how important an image is to a pool.
I think this is the best way to go about it, it sums up the intent of it quite well.
But I'm curious, do any janitors really pay attention to the reasons for flagging/appeal when they look at an image that has been flagged?
