Tag discussion: Armor

All three are types of armor worn on the leg. Greaves can vary in size from shin_guards to thighhigh length. Suneate are pretty much just the Japanese version of shin guards.

So should shin guards be exclusively used for the items in post #839862? If not, then they could be called half-greaves according to the Wikipedia article on greaves.

For suneate, should it just be scrapped for shin guards/half-greaves? I'm in favor of keeping it for the ones that look Japanese styled.

I've been meaning to clean up a bunch of other armor tags like pauldrons, spaulders and shoulder_pads, but at 600+ pages, it might be a while.

in relation to the personal armor pieces above, i'm considering of creating a tag group:armor pieces or list of armor pieces or whichever name/term is more appropriate for this defensive articles since not many are familiar with these names and specifics aside from helmet and armor.

i see no entry in tag groups or wikis yet, so this may help in populating and cleaning the tags. thanks.

ghostrigger said:
in relation to the personal armor pieces above, i'm considering of creating a tag group:armor pieces or list of armor pieces or whichever name/term is more appropriate for this defensive articles since not many are familiar with these names and specifics aside from helmet and armor.

i see no entry in tag groups or wikis yet, so this may help in populating and cleaning the tags. thanks.

Just make it armour in general, then. There are pieces, types, and named sets of armour, after all (thanks, Monster Hunter!).

ok, thanks, that will be better and shorter. but which variant is more preferred list of armor or list of armour? wikipedia tells they are the same.

We usually use American spelling, so armor.

Ohh, possibly materials as well (wood, leather, metal)
And to clarify, by "types", I was thinking chainmail, plate, scale, etc.
Also, bikini_armor.

Before I start editing wikis and cleaning pauldrons, spaulders and shoulder_pads I would like some input on shoulder pads. I would prefer that it should be used for non-armor pieces. Most of the armored ones should be tagged as pauldrons or in the case for Cassandra_Alexandra's arm armor, something like rerebrace for the upper arm. Rerebrace Wikipedia entry
Maybe even couter for the ones placed closer to her elbow. Couter Wikipedia entry

Then there's Jill_Valentine, Resident Evil 2 version. I've seen them tagged as both pauldrons and shoulder pads or even untagged, but what the heck are they really?

Also,

• Any additional input on the greaves/shin_guard/suneate issue would be appreciated.
• For full_armor, should every armor piece be tagged as well?

firstly, i must say, i'm no expert here just sharing my thoughts. i'm not really familiar with some specific terms unless i encountered them before. i'm already in the process of compiling a list. something i know like cuirass is not used. i'm not so sure if it will help us in cleaning if we even introduce this, but maybe not yet.

regarding shoulder_pads, i would prefer this to be the generic term. i would consider the bulky/medieval/metallic-types pauldrons. still, i would consider shoulder_pads a type of armor especially to the contemporary times e.g. military like post #146736. im assuming armor in a broad meaning of protective covering for the wearer in fighting.

there are no rerebrace yet and some more specific pieces but i'll include them in the list as i see them to help populating the tag.

im not familiar with jill valentine, but it looks like part of a swat uniform or of a padded tactical vest. i don't know the proper term but i'll leave it as shoulder_pads at the moment.

i support keeping the suneate exclusively for the japanese type.

im not sure of dividing greave into two parts will help. i wonder if one will search of a greave up to thigh. since many of our posts are females, i would assume there will be a lesser variant for a full greave.

how about setting greave for the ancient/medieval/adventure-type and setting shin guards for a more generic and/or modern type (for contemporary times) like in post #839862? just a suggestion.

my understanding of full armor is that you can no longer see the face of the wearer (or maybe consider even if the visor is raised?) or is absolutely covered in armor like post #393720. i'll go for tag what we see because some parts might be obstructed from view like post #1008430 we don't know the legwear he's using.

EDIT: i just realized i used jill in my example. silly me.

How much granularity are we willing to invest in this?
For example, suneate could be japanese_armour shin_guard (sub greaves for shin_guards if that's the direction you're thinking). Jill Valentine has pauldron modern_armour.

Or we could totally go whole hog and tag tassets, faulds, cuisses, poleyns, etc. separately and those are different from kusazuri et al.

Or division by purpose, so arm_armour, leg_armour, head_armour, body_armour, shoulder_armour, and possibly a few more.

Looking at this from the historical perspective, I'm willing to bet we'll eventually have the name of each and every little piece (see: guns, military vehicles, semen on anything and everything), but for the time being?

at the moment, i'm thinking of compiling only tags used so far in danbooru or at least has one entry. by that we can be sure that at least one user is familiar with the term. introducing a term not yet used is secondary for me unless it will help in organizing and cleaning some unclear entries.

we can always add the specific terms when necessary especially when users became familiar of such list and that a specific armor piece is not yet tagged.

i considered the divisions be by category (head, leg, arms,shoulders, torso/body, sets, shields, personalities, groin, named armor, misc). aside from that maybe are japanase, ancient/medieval, contemporary, and future.

groin - bikini armor, crotch plate

by sets i mean full_armor, samurai_armor, power_armor, power_suit, exoskeleton.

personalities - knight, samurai, dark_night, soldier, polish hussar, swiss guard

i'm thinking of materials too like metal and leather, but im not sure to use it. i like too but should we use it?

EDIT: i uploaded the list of armor page already. armor list sounds better, but i followed list of weapons for consistency. i might have missed something or added something irrelevant. kindly check. we can always expand it or change the divisions. i've selected the categories that a user will most likely looked into. thanks.

DschingisKhan said:
How much granularity are we willing to invest in this?
For example, suneate could be japanese_armour shin_guard (sub greaves for shin_guards if that's the direction you're thinking). Jill Valentine has pauldron modern_armour.

Or we could totally go whole hog and tag tassets, faulds, cuisses, poleyns, etc. separately and those are different from kusazuri et al.

Or division by purpose, so arm_armour, leg_armour, head_armour, body_armour, shoulder_armour, and possibly a few more.

Looking at this from the historical perspective, I'm willing to bet we'll eventually have the name of each and every little piece (see: guns, military vehicles, semen on anything and everything), but for the time being?

I picked out the arm, shoulder and lower leg armor because there seems to be more images with those pieces. Like ghostrigger said, cleaning/categorizing what danbooru has is probably the main task. Along the way during cleaning, I'll try to add new tags.

ghostrigger said:
i'm thinking of materials too like metal and leather, but im not sure to use it. i like too but should we use it?

Materials would be appreciated, but is not a major concern as compared to just general cleaning/categorizing. I'm also iffy on using it.

Also, the entries in list_of_armor with the Infinite Stratos stuff just doesn't seem to fit in with armor. Closer to mecha_musume.

Renamed topic to "Armor" from "greaves, shin_guard, suneate"

ok, thanks for the input. i've considered adding IS since they are examples of exoskeleton, well at least, they claimed to be. but you're right it's more closer to mecha musume. maybe the "see also" part of the list for that will be enough. removing IS.

Along the way during cleaning, I'll try to add new tags.

then i'll also try to help populating the tags as soon as they are identified and defined. our wiki definitions should be accurate to avoid pollution and the list of armor will reflect any changes.

you might want to change the legs and shoulders sections (or whichever is appropriate) when the issues and technicalities are finalized and settled.

EDIT: found out post #1031368 and walkure_romanze today. i think greaves reaching thighhighs is possible now if we really want that restriction and limiting shin guards only to the shin. nothing against this but a few more thoughts are welcome.

thanks.

I have added couter and rondel to fully tag post #157212.

created muscle cuirass for post #5896435