pool #3449 - Playgirl
Is this idea pool-able? If so, it needs a much clearer name.
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pool #3449 - Playgirl
Is this idea pool-able? If so, it needs a much clearer name.
NeoChaos said:
pool #3449 - PlaygirlIs this idea pool-able? If so, it needs a much clearer name.
Seems like it's just sex -solo. Maybe negate group sex too. You're right though, at the very least the name needs to be changed.
Edit: Actually couple sex would probably be even better.
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So, um. What are we doing with pool #3407 and the proposed tag? Because the pool's still pretty pointless.
pool #2187 was moved to pant suit by rantuyetmai.
pool #3429: Apparently created by accident, posts are in pool #3430.
Evangeline_A.K._McDowell said:
pool #3490
Hmm, he didn't get the hint the first time that pool got deleted.
As the name implies it's little more than a search for arabian_clothes or gypsy, although it appears those tags are underused.
It is now part of the larger pool #3499 which is a sequential 4comic up to the current no. 71
I'd say pool #3499 is the bad one; it's just rokugatsu_t 4koma, with no apparent relationship between the story in pool #2502 and the other stories.
glasnost said:
I'd say pool #3499 is the bad one; it's just rokugatsu_t 4koma, with no apparent relationship between the story in pool #2502 and the other stories.
It is a sequential group of 4komas as tagged by the author.
It is like the other 4koma pools that deal with multiple character groupings. This one just lacks fills... a lot of them. If people start doing fills it seems odd to have tons of parent:child and additional pools that have to be removed or merged down the road.
Unless I missed something pools like this are based off the artists own comic sequence and not individual groupings. The title of pool #2502 was not even constant with the authors title, which would be Touhou 4comic "15" (東方4コマ 15)
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Siegmund_200% said:
It is a sequential group of 4komas as tagged by the author.
Actually, it's quite clear from looking at Pixiv that not all 4komas are intended to be sequential. Clicking 最初 ("Beginning") on comic 12, for instance, takes you to comic 7. Setting aside the issue of whether, generally speaking, numbering comics on Pixiv guarantees that they are intended to be sequential (it doesn't), it's certainly not true of this specific case.
Siegmund_200% said:
The title of pool #2502 was not even constant with the authors title, which would be Touhou 4comic "15" (東方4コマ 15)
This is a little silly, too. This is just my opinion, but we've got so many "Touhou 4koma" pools that I am not averse to some retitling.
glasnost said:
Actually, it's quite clear from looking at Pixiv that not all 4komas are intended to be sequential.
Not to be picky but is there an example of this? When I say sequential I mean the numbering system not necessarily the timeline for each grouping of comics vs where they are number wise. Ie say 60-64 was a prequel to 14-20.
Also I am not saying they have continuity either. I am speaking from the artists naming and numbering standpoint. I think I was not clear about that.
Clicking 最初 ("Beginning") on comic 12, for instance, takes you to comic 7
Which is easily argued as the beginning of that particular sequence only.
Setting aside the issue of whether, generally speaking, numbering comics on Pixiv guarantees that they are intended to be sequential (it doesn't)
See above.
it's certainly not true of this specific case.
see above we probably agree on this point.
This is a little silly, too. This is just my opinion, but we've got so many "Touhou 4koma" pools that I am not averse to some retitling.
Wouldn't that add a lot of needless pools? The whole idea seems to really seems to go against danbooru's "less clutter" idea.
So we assume that all the comics were uploaded and approved, that would be 15 pools or so (guessing by each specific comic length). All of which would not use the artists title (yes seems a sticking point to me) and imo would as I said above add a lot of clutter that is not needed.
I can see what was done if it is only a single "comic" being uploaded but there is about 4 or so now and they were parent/child (which I recall everyone hates) obviously with the exception of the one pool.
I can't read Japanese so I am just going with what I know which is the title + numbering. Maybe the author intended for each "comic" to be truly individual and was just lazy but as I say, there are other 4komas on Danbooru that are little "episodes" but under the same overall title.
Basically this 4koma is like others in how it is a collection of (Mini-series) under one title (author). They are grouped the same way I am suggesting.
Anyway I hope if anything about what I was saying was not clear it is now.
Siegmund_200% said:
Also I am not saying they have continuity either. I am speaking from the artists naming and numbering standpoint. I think I was not clear about that.
Right, I confounded those two. I suppose my point is that the benefits of pooling comics by story outweigh the benefits of pooling them by numbering.
I don't see exactly what the issue with "clutter" is, as you describe it. Honestly, I would consider a single pool with 4 completely separate stories to be more cluttered than 4 pools with one story apiece, because the former sort of clutter interferes with the site's usability; users have to guess which thumbnail is the start of the story they want to read. (I have this problem every time I go back and reread Mamange, for instance.) The latter sort of clutter, on the other hand, only becomes an issue for users who are browsing the pool list page by page, which is not an especially common activity.
Siegmund_200% said:
All of which would not use the artists title (yes seems a sticking point to me)
Understandable, but we can always put the original "title" (to the extent that it can be considered one) in the pool description.
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glasnost said:
The latter sort of clutter, on the other hand, only becomes an issue for users who are browsing the pool list page by page, which is not an especially common activity.
Well probably not now, at least. It used to be a great way to keep up with comics, but now it's too full of garbage pools.
glasnost said:
Right, I confounded those two. I suppose my point is that the benefits of pooling comics by story outweigh the benefits of pooling them by numbering.
Which is the crux of the discussion I guess. Pools set up by story or by "the artist's designated grouping"? Should it be situational?
Along the same lines would pooling the individual stories but leaving them under the larger umbrella of the "artist's grouping" have some benefit?
One thing I can think of that is beneficial is that it would allow you to see the whole "comic" if you happened to like a story and not have to sift around the artists tag (could be a lot of non related images by them).
Again this would only be relevant to 4koma types that don't have any real continuity.
I don't see exactly what the issue with "clutter" is, as you describe it.
Basically as you mentioned, pool clutter.
Understandable, but we can always put the original "title" (to the extent that it can be considered one) in the pool description.
Ideally maybe tacked onto the end of the title such that with wildcards it would be searchable (as an alternative to the "mother pool" idea I mentioned). Basically some way to easily access the whole series of the "related" 4komas.
pool #3082 -- "# TODO"
A private pool for someone's translation backlog. Not that I don't sympathize, but to-do lists belong on your own computer.
Siegmund_200% said:
Basically as you mentioned, pool clutter.
Well, yes, but I also explained why I think pool clutter is a non-issue. Given that pools are not an exhaustible resource, and that given Danbooru's popularity, the pool list is not likely to ever return to a browsable state such as zatchii describes, it's not clear to me why you believe otherwise.
Kikimaru said:
I kinda herped here:pool #275 is missing pages, but I can't edit it.
pool #3515 has all the pages, in order.Please note that I only realised that pool #275 existed a few hours AFTER I made a new pool.
You can message the pool owner or an admin to make pool #275 public and edit it, or we can just delete it and go with pool #3515. There is really no longer any purpose for non-public pools on Danbooru, though, so you can make pool #3515 public yourself if you'd like it to be the one that stays around.
Kikimaru said:
I kinda herped here:pool #275 is missing pages, but I can't edit it.
pool #3515 has all the pages, in order.Please note that I only realised that pool #275 existed a few hours AFTER I made a new pool.
In this case, doesn't hurt to just delete #275 I suppose. No point in re-doing work in the old pool if the new one has already done it.
glasnost said:
Well, yes, but I also explained why I think pool clutter is a non-issue.
Was simply clarifying.
Given that pools are not an exhaustible resource, and that given Danbooru's popularity, the pool list is not likely to ever return to a browsable state such as zatchii describes, it's not clear to me why you believe otherwise.
I think you are mixing Zatchii and my feeling in together a bit. I never believed it would. It would just be the sheer volume of pools created for a comic series like the one in question if they were all made into individual pools.
My logic was just to limit the number of pools that would be created in this case and going with the "formula" that seems to be generally followed.
Anyway as it stands the comic in question did get full fills so if it is worth a larger discussion on the matter I guess one could be started.