Yeah, these threads look broken to me too.
ultima said:
- Flagged posts no longer say the name of the user that flagged them. I just see the reason given and then (1).
Same goes for posts that were deleted directly by a janitor/mod/admin.
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Ars said:
(forum #58669 and the first page of this thread.)
The first page was me. Looks like a closing tag without an opening tag breaks everything.
albert said:
- Flagged posts are no longer automatically deleted
- Flagged posts no longer appear in the moderation queue
Why not? That hasn't been discussed and changes the game completely.
- Upload limit changes. Before you had to do some weird math to figure out the final limit, and for users with thousands of uploads already it didn't work very well. Now the upload limit is just a hard limit. If it's 10, you can upload 10 posts at a time, regardless of how many approved/deleted posts you have.
How exactly is it determined now? And why did you change that? Again, this hasn't been discussed, and the previous system did the math because we've determined that we wanted a way to reflect the quality of uploads in users' upload capacity.
Coconut said:
How is this hard limit determined? I don't think Mr. GT is going to be happy about this...
I already am not happy about the change. Also, Hazuki is right; why change the system? There haven't been any discussions about any change to the upload limit since it was last discussed roughly two years ago.
In relation to this, I won't mention some names, but several mods/janitors have been inactive lately and others who used to prolifically approve stuff seem to be approving way too few posts these days.
albert said:
- Flagged posts are no longer automatically deleted
- Flagged posts no longer appear in the moderation queue
I'm fine with everything else, but these two make no sense to me. Are flagged posts supposed to hang out forever until someone definitively deletes them? The whole reason the mod queue works is because we can all passively disapprove of things, with the system cleaning up afterward.
This feels like it is going to lead us back towards the system we had prior to auto-deletion where one person would need to take it upon themselves to stamp something out to clean up, potentially denying someone else the chance to save it.
As for flagged posts not appearing in the mod queue, this is slightly annoying too, since my existing moderation pattern is to filter the mod queue, open everything and then go through it all one-by-one. By moving the flagged posts, I can no longer approve/pass on them with the same process.
albert said:
- Expanded mod dashboard
- Mod dashboard is now accessible to janitors
I really do think this is a good idea, and appreciate the access, but the dashboard could probably use some additional work. It's not too intuitive as it stands (for example what am I supposed to do with the flagged posts here? I suppose I could visit them to vote up/down, save ones I like, or delete ones I really hate.)
With most flagged posts though, I usually dislike them, but not enough to ban-hammer them. I can see this list getting cluttered easily.
Another thing: dashboards usually summarize and usually fit one screen, the lists of things aren't necessarily a bad idea, especially when they point out the top & bottom of a statistic; but in a lot of ways, the interface would be easier to use and less confusing if you listed summary statistics, with links to the more detailed listings, rather than displaying a bunch of unrelated lists side-by-side that scroll off the screen.
All-in-all, I'd say a step in the right direction, but could use some additional work to be really useful, I think.
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albert said:
- Flagged posts are no longer automatically deleted
That's how it was before, remember? We were all complaining how useless flagging was because unless the image was grossly offensive/rule-breaking, the site policy is to not actively delete, but rather let all the other moderators get a look at it. This breaks that system we thought out for moderation (in which all moderators get a chance to say "I want this to stay", rather than having to wait for one moderator to say "I want this to go"). It makes flagging useless for anything but outright rule violations.
Same with the hard limit for uploads, that's what we had before, and we spent quite some time developing a good formula for it, because it was deemed unfair to people who uploaded enough quality material, yet were not consistent enough for an invite. You're gonna just throw that out? If you think the math annoys people (really? System transparency is a bad thing now?), just show the end result number, with a link to the formula in the wiki or something. Don't get rid of the formula as such, it worked. (Unless I'm misunderstanding this... I'm still seeing the formula in my profile...)
On a personal note, I want to add that I know I've been away for a while, but I have some pressing private matters I need to deal with, and while I can take a 15-minute break and look at some pretty art on pixiv and upload it, I don't have the time or mental energy for the mod queue right now. I will be back however, and I do apologize for the slack.
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The upload limit changes only affects a few users who have their limit explicitly set. This change is, as Log mentioned, because the old formula just didn't work for people like Mr GT. Trying to change the base limit only worked for a few days.
As for flagging, my experience is that only 3-4 posts get flagged a day. And unless it's a clear rule violation, you shouldn't delete it. The autodelete just didn't work very well in cases for mediocre art: you're relying on the whim of some random flagger to trigger a deletion. Would an acceptable compromise be requiring at least two flags for an autodelete?
albert said:
As for flagging, my experience is that only 3-4 posts get flagged a day. And unless it's a clear rule violation, you shouldn't delete it. The autodelete just didn't work very well in cases for mediocre art: you're relying on the whim of some random flagger to trigger a deletion.
I don't understand this. A flag is basically a way of saying "I think this image should be subject to moderator review", and then it undergoes the exact same process almost all incoming images do already. Are you trying to say that mediocre art deserves more protection, because just none of the mods and jantitors willing to vouch for it is not enough?
albert said:
The upload limit changes only affects a few users who have their limit explicitly set. This change is, as Log mentioned, because the old formula just didn't work for people like Mr GT. Trying to change the base limit only worked for a few days.As for flagging, my experience is that only 3-4 posts get flagged a day. And unless it's a clear rule violation, you shouldn't delete it. The autodelete just didn't work very well in cases for mediocre art: you're relying on the whim of some random flagger to trigger a deletion. Would an acceptable compromise be requiring at least two flags for an autodelete?
Albert, you're fixing things that weren't broken, breaking them in the process.
Anelaid said:
My feeling is that flagging should only be reserved for extremely bad images, not average images that may or not be approved again.
Your feeling would require us all to drastically lower our standards regarding quality. It would imply that even if an image is not good enough to be reapproved, it should still stay if it's not violently awful.
Sub-par art gets wrongly uploaded by Contributors or approved by a slip in judgement from a Mod/Janitor from time to time. The whole reason the system works is that we are each other's security net, and thus can demand a second opinion regarding whether a particular image should or should not be accepted. If we were to limit flagging to only obvious TOS violations, we might as well reverse the entire function of the mod queue and approve everything automatically except for the terribly bad shit.
So, no.
Asking for a second opinion on a borderline sample of art sounds like a perfectly legitimate use of flagging to me. And I agree with Hazuki that submitting an image to the attention of all the moderating staff is a great deal more than "relying on the whim of a random flagger". The only times I have not reapproved an image I judged good enough are those when I was the one who approved it the first time, since that would void the point of asking for a second opinion.