Tag for bored look

I keep running into this and I never know how to call it.
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bored is too specific, expressionless is insufficient. I was thinking of flat_eyelids.

I would prefer flat gaze, myself.

Do you want to tag the eyes, or the expression as a whole? If it's the former then I agree with flat_gaze as sgc said. If it's the latter then they look quite... neutral?

jitome

Not a well populated tag, so refer to Pixiv: http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E3%82%B8%E3%83%88%E7%9B%AE&s_mode=s_tag

ジト目 is a slang for scornful/reproachful eyes in manga. Normally I like preservation of Japanese words and meaning, but this case should not require it.

Hmm, I was unaware it had an implication of emotions more negative than boredom. Now that I look it up, Japanese glossaries agree, though I still think the fixed stare is a more defining characteristic - the term comes from じーっと, after all.

Also, we already tag tsurime and tareme as such, though I suppose those refer to artistic features.

If we agree to drop the scornful part I must say that jitome would nicely fit between tsurime and tareme, as it's exactly the same tagging purpose.

jitome does sound worth considering, but will not attract many taggers unaware of this discussion.

A detailed wiki article, preferably including a thorough explanation of the meaning of the word, is definitely needed if you decide to go with jitome.

Katajanmarja said:
jitome does sound worth considering, but will not attract many taggers unaware of this discussion.

Is there a tag that ever succeeded in doing this outside from people of the forums anyway? Pools get a lot of support from members for several reasons but tags hardly get any.

I'm not defending jitome but I don't think names make much of a change in popularity.
I'd rather start any tag concept with a very catchy pool name then turn it into a tag once users have jumped on it and filled enough posts.

Cyberia-Mix said:
I'd rather start any tag concept with a very catchy pool name then turn it into a tag once users have jumped on it and filled enough posts.

This is a nice advertising method.

Sorry, I was thinking about how intuitive it is rather than how catchy it is: "Tags as self-explanatory as blue_eyes are more likely to get used than tags like zettai_ryouiki."

jitome could very well be the best choice possible, and if so, somebody please write a good wiki.

Any general tag that is not in english should have a wiki page and if you're creating a new one you shouldn't need to be told to create a wiki page in all honesty.

I'm with Katajanmarja about the intuitive aspect, and would much prefer an English word for this concept since it is nowhere as popular as zettai_ryouiki yet. Not to mention using jitome for 2 examples in OP is all sorts of incorrect.

Log, do we really need to make this sound like an argument?

The tareme and tsurime wikis do have explanations, but they do not actually translate the terms. Obviously these three tags share the -me element. Literal translations would add a lot of value in my eyes.

Drooping/slanted eyes are the translations for tareime/tsurime but are those definitions really going to help you spot it in images better than the description in the wiki?

There's nothing to argue though. .0002% of users bother posting in the forums. 100% of users have instant access to the wiki in a single click.

At least most people will recognize they're tags for eyes right away.

Log said:

Drooping/slanted eyes are the translations for tareime/tsurime but are those definitions really going to help you spot it in images better than the description in the wiki?

No. They help me to grasp the -me 'eye(s)' tags as a group and to keep it in mind as such when deciding what to tag. The same goes for basically any new terminology forming patterns, be it of Greek, Latin, Russian or whatever origin.

I'm probably the exception to the rule, but whenever I see a tag that I don't know I always check the wiki.

Off topic a bit; Perhaps a method to highlight new or underused tags would be useful for Danbooru 2. Janitor or Mod+ would be able to select tag(s) that would show up in an interface similar to pools at the top of pages that have it, with links to the next post that has it. It could automatically add any posts and expire after a certain amount of time, making it a simple fire and forget.

Of course anything not self-explanatory like jitome is would get a wiki description.
Also, the tag we're currently discussing is expected to be added to tag group:eyes tags.

I think tsurime and tareme are doing fine like this personally.

Suiseiseki said:
Perhaps a method to highlight new or underused tags would be useful for Danbooru 2.

For starters, it'd be helpful to have the wiki recent changes filtered by tag type. Gentags changes would be easier to track.

The difference I see is that tsurime and tareme are typically elements of character design, whereas jitome is typically not, and (with few exceptions) is only used to indicate a character's current mood via facial expression.

I'll be okay with it either way, but I'd prefer flat gaze.