There's an dispute going on regarding post #763635 and it's inclusion in pool #903, Disgustingly Adorable. About every couple days or so, the picture is put in there (usually by Dakkan) and not long after, it's removed (usually by kanatyanko). There have been a couple other editors removing or adding this picture to the pool, but for the most part, it's been Dakkan and kanatyanko going back and forth on this picture's inclusion in the pool.
Can someone step up and tell these two to knock it off? An opinion on whether the picture belongs in the pool or not would be nice as well.
That is dumb. The nature of that kind of public "subjective tag" pool is that there will be images in there that someone may think is disgustingly adorable and others think isn't. So taking something out just cause you don't find it disgustingly adorable is bullshit (not to mention a dick move).
Unless it's clearly a mistake or sabotage, or VERY obviously a minority opinion, there's no reason to remove something from that type of pool just because you disagree with it.
My opinion therefore is that it belongs in the pool because Dakkan (and some others) think it belongs there.
Personally I would lean towards exclusive rather than inclusive guidelines for disputes like this (eg. if someone objects and removes your image, don't re-add it yourself unless it's plainly a mistake or sabotage, say.) This seems like it'd produce more useful pools -- "almost everyone thinks these images are disgustingly adorable" (or at least 'nobody objected to the statement that this image is disgustingly adorable') seems more useful to me than "at least one random person thought these images were disgustingly adorable."
This is without regard for the image in question, obviously. But it'd probably good to have some sort of general guideline if we're going to have subjective pools like this... I mean, saying "knock it off, don't argue" is fine, but we should establish whether pools are inclusive or exclusive like that.
Anyway, it's like slash said. Just leave the damn image in there. Trying to define what "disgustingly adorable" means is an utter waste of time in and of itself, and trying to objectively debate the degree of adorableness of an image like that is even worse.
The problem here is, the pool itself calls for more selective scrutiny when adding images in its own description from the pool creator.
However, many images that many users would deem "unfit" for the pool still make their way in there. Frequenters of the pool have been showing some irritation at how a large number of images going into the pool don't seem to fit the criteria in their eyes - thus, opinions against the inclusion of any such "non-disgustingly adorable" image aren't exactly uncommon. Do you think one person thinking an image belongs in a pool should overwrite an overwhelming opposition, and vice versa?
But the question arises, just how can you know how people feel about an image one way or another? It is, after all, subjective, so I vote for just letting the pool-goers settle it amongst themselves so as not to bother the mods with it. For images that become subject to edit wars, discuss about whether or not you think it belongs in there on the image, and let that decide its fate, why not.
Of course, someone did suggest something that lets you vote on whether an image belongs in a pool or not before. It may at least alleviate some of the headache if such a thing is possible.
You're both wrong about that. You could argue that overly subjective pools are stupid, but edit wars are not a good reason why.
One solution would be to assign moderation to subjective pools to certain pool-mods, but honestly it's enough of a rare occurrence that I really don't see the point. Creating a topic such as this one is perfectly justified, not a nuisance. Again, public pools just inherently have this element in them, regardless of how subjective they are. Hell, tags have this in them--let me remind you of the red_hair vs orange_hair and silver_hair vs grey_hair debates.
The real issue here is we can't discuss these things properly because comments are currently almost impossible to read (whereas tag discussions happen in the forum, which of course is slightly less painful to read, although the alias thing makes me reach for the "Mark All As Read" button quite regularly). So instead of discussing whether an image belongs in the pool, we have people just being proactive. Too proactive!
That would only really help in the case of sabotage, though, I'd think? In this case it's just a conflict of opinion, and a consensus has to be reached either way. If you're gonna lock it, one of the persons is just going to complain about it.
for problems like this, I feel the original creator of the pool should be brought in. it was their creation so they deserve the final say, assuming the person is still active.
if that's not possible, in the most extreme case, we could just make a forum topic and have people vote if a picture should go in the pool or not and let majority rule decide.
This isn't the only image to suffer from such edit wars in this pool.
I actually appreciate the efforts of people like Arrei to cull the pool - it is meant to be a compendium of only the most HNNNG-worthy images on Danbooru. But it is obnoxious for an image to be constantly added and deleted and re-added ad nauseam.
I'd like to encourage anyone who sees it as their duty to see to the quality of pool #903 to either bow to the wishes of multiple re-adders, or at least to call in RiderFan if they truly feel it doesn't belong. And contrariwise, if your favorite Disgustingly Adorable image keeps getting removed, don't be the one to re-add it - let someone else do so, and thus demonstrate collective support.
I've been alerted to this forum topic and been asked to make a comment/explain myself.
I've been adding the image back into the pool because, quite frankly, I think it belongs there, and as far as I can tell (from the comments not related to the flurry of adding/removal of it to the pool) a fair number of others believe so as well. As I was not the one to originally post it to Danbooru, or the first person to submit it to Disgustingly Adorable, I was under the impression that there were enough supporters besides myself to its presence there.
At the very least, even now there haven't been any comments anywhere I've seen that say it doesn't belong. I will admit, some part of my own persistence is just due to stubbornness, but there has been no explanation as to just why in particular it is getting removed. I think it's cute/adorable enough to be in the pool. So do others.
Until there's an official person/format/ruling to say otherwise, I would think that that would be all that's needed.
Leaving it in would be what I would do in the case of the image in question, as well. From what I can see, there are two people removing it but several comments saying they feel it belongs there, as well as two re-adders to match the removers, tipping the scales in the favor of inclusion. As for me, it seems borderline-DA to me and I leave such images in the pool just to err on the safe side. I also leave most images that have many supporting comments for its inclusion, even if I disagree.
Just FYI, I sent the PM to Dakkan requesting for his two cents. I also sent one to kanatyanko, who seems to have ignored it and just decided to remove the image from the pool *again* (and Dakkan added it back). Is there something that can be done about him?
I'll PM him - if he ignores that then a neg at least is in order. Just let me know if he removes it against after 10:30 PM UTC-5 11/24 (which is when I sent the email). Otherwise, just let me handle it.
NeoChaos said: kanatyanko removed it again, 1:24 PM UTC-5 11/25.
What a god damn idiot. This has to be the stupidest thing anyone's gotten a demotion for, but he did it despite a very direct warning and clearly a mere neg record ain't going to cut it.
Way to throw away contributor status over something to trivial, ugh.
