Blank_User said:
@NerveControl stated in a recent feedback that this post should not be rated Q. However, I looked everywhere for something warranting an E rating and couldn't find anything. All elements I saw (breast grab, nipples, subtle vulva) are listed under Q. Posting it here in case I missed something, but if I didn't, then I think that line should be removed from the feedback.
Compare with post #8731402, in which the vulva is fully visible and more in focus. Some might argue this should be Q because it's only full-frontal nudity, but I think E is fine considering it's more in focus here. It's still somewhat borderline, so I wouldn't be too critical of users rating posts like this as Q.
Edit: I didn’t mean the entire feedback should be removed. Repeat offenses are a valid reason for a negative.
I'm "a little" late to the discussion itself, but since this topic concerns me directly, I can't ignore it (even though I already answered in Discord)
Most of the text below will explain my thinking behind the line in the feedback stating that the rating of that post is Explicit
regarding post #8775288 :
Note: in this particular post it was not me who changed the rating from Q to E, but user @MegaFlare, I just want to clarify
I knew about the pussy tag rating peculiarities specified in the description of rating Questionable, however I decided to refer to the description of a more serious rating (Explicit) since if this picture was an actual photo, it would most likely be considered pornography (i.e. rating E) (especially considering that we literally don't have a single cosplay photo pussy rating:q post)
Well, and also don't forget that the description for the E rating also only talks about the fact of exposed genitals, and not about whether there is an emphasis on them or not.
Also the fact that there is a naked woman with exposed genitals lying on a naked man makes me even more inclined to think that this is rating E, as it may imply a pornographic situation, but that's just my thoughts.
Blank_User said:
That’s cherry-picking. All guidelines in howto:rate should be taken into account. Exposed genitals are listed under E, but the second item under Q is
In this case, the complementary part is not in front, but behind, so if we try to use them all, we will get a semantic conflict.
WRS said:
Visible genitals are rating E and there are visible genitals in that post. The rating wiki is pretty clear about that. Is that feedbackable though? Frankly, no, I think it's overkill to declare that in a feedback unless they've already been told more than one time and still continue to misrate. Some users are evidently still working off of potentially old standards for how ratings are treated, like how @WinDGo is mass-misrating posts with visible pussy to Q (and hasn't responded to a DM they've been sent before - I'm waiting to hear back on that, and/or this ping, before I do anything about that).
Speaking of warnings, this user received a total of 2 DMails and 1 feedback, which also mentioned this situation, but all of them were ignored.
Besides that, he also rated cum as a rating Q, so I (personally) doubt that it's just that he's using old standards, most likely he wasn't familiar with them at all.
evazion said:
The intent was that cases where the vulva is barely visible and not the focus of the image aren't an automatic E. Examples would be post #4364459, post #6568826, or post #5697400. This is basically how it's always been rated and during the last rating rework I didn't want to change it too much. The current rules were just trying to put existing standards into writing, which, yes, are pretty hazy.
Currently about 10% of pussy is rating:q. I wouldn't mind if we were stricter about it because it does need frequent gardening to deal with people rating things like blatant spread pussy or blatant presenting pussy as Q. But I do think there are cases where the vulva is just a faint hint of a line and treating that as an automatic E would perhaps be too harsh, even if it would be easier to deal with.
The rules don't go into exhaustive detail about every corner case because they're meant to be easy to read by normal people and I don't want them to become overcomplicated by rules lawyers.
This means don't rate things like post #8192745 as Q even though the genitals are fully hidden by censorship. It doesn't become Q just because you can't technically see the genitals.
I don't know what evazion thinks specifically about post #8775288 , but based on what I've read, purely based on the appearance of the genitals, the post should remain as rating Q. And yet it would be interesting to look at other details of this picture (indicated above)
Overall I agree with his opinion, but I think the howto:rate page itself needs to be slightly adjusted in this regard to clarify.
So I think many will agree that the situation is non-standard and I will update the feedback, removing the line about this, since even a whole council cannot come to a single conclusion.